greenhouse seeds fem super bud got a male out of a ten pack
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shawn705
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really cuz i only order from GHS personaly.. last order i placed i got 5 black n white mixx fem, 5 super and a bubba kush, ALL germed and are doing great, ive never had a hermie or male with GHS and the smoke i got from then Kaia Kush was the best ive ever had
shawn705
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ur losing out if u ditch greenhouse over that issue.. trhey have great genetic's
Sativied
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Then you are one lucky...
Green Herma Seeds... tastes like hay even in their own even coffeeshops. And the only one that asks for tips... tourists seeds (no offense, that's what they are). The guy gets a male out of a fem pack and you still defend them? So many threads in many forums with many unhappy GHS customers across the globe complaining about many of their strains not being stable.
shawn705
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yeh and theres also complaints about every other seed breeder as well, point being, fem seeds cant all be guarenteed through the breeder so 1 seed was male out of how many that were actually fem? im not gunna argue with yah but from 3 years of only buying from greenhouse im quite happy.Then you are one lucky...
like i said never had any issues what so ever, and im not even the best grower out there, novice at best lol
colocowboy
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I tire of reading these misconceptions, just because they have been feminized doesn't make them guaranteed female just a higher likelihood. It is nature, think about it for a minute.
I tried SB, it didn't taste like hay. It tasted like fuely donuts
It was pretty good for free!
I tried SB, it didn't taste like hay. It tasted like fuely donuts
It was pretty good for free!
Sativied
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That's cause you buy from GHS... I never said there were guarantees, there are none in life, that's no excuse to breed just for money. He did not get 1 male out of 10, he got 1 male out of 1! Even though the OP blames himself for those other 9, chances are huge there would have been a male and a herma or three amongst those,
I'll say one good thing about them though, they dealt so often with people complaining about their herma seeds that they got experienced in customer service.
If you want to spend your money on commercial breeders that care only about the money and miss out on the real deal by all means buy GHS... They have a bad herma rep here for good reasons.
colocowboy
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I bought jack shit, obviously you can't read OR get a grip. I hate to be the one to tip you off but they are all commercial if they are selling beans and they are only concerned about your money and future sales.
The free one I had was fine, not a nanner or herm but that is irrelevant because your trolling with others experience. Don't hate, elevate!
What's with hostility?
Sativied
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You're asking me? Fuck off... calling me a troll... for stating what is widely known. While you are basing it on one free seed... you bought jack shit, and obviously know jack shit.
And no, not every breeder out there cares "only about the money", many of them have a lot of love for the plant.
colocowboy
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You grew nothing and ride nuts yet your the authority. Your going to bag someone else for doing something from a position of doing nothing? It appears that you know jack shit!
At this point I am calling you an ignorant ass troll.
I would doubt that many in the business wouldn't claim love for the plant! Are you really that ignorant?
Ya, hostile!
Sativied
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Claim all the nonsense you want... I grew nothing? Nothing sure tastes good then. Edit: It's not all crap they sell, just too unstable. I'm not an authority on anything nor do I claim or act to be. I am however well informed when it comes to GHS.
You seem to be confusing disagreeing with trolling (and your with you're). I'm not hostile, but you are certainly suspiciously defensive after using one free seed...
[video=youtube;32p8d6OudgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32p8d6OudgU[/video]
Nothing sure tastes good then. Edit: It's not all crap they sell, just too unstable. I'm not an authority on anything nor do I claim or act to be. I am however well informed when it comes to GHS.You seem to be confusing disagreeing with trolling (and your with you're). I'm not hostile, but you are certainly suspiciously defensive after using one free seed...
[video=youtube;32p8d6OudgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32p8d6OudgU[/video]
homebrewer
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I'd suggest some research next time as there are many, many options for seeds and GHS is near the bottom. Good luck!
bdt1981
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I couldn't pass up the 5 dollar a seed prices. I'm not mad at them just agree with 9 of ten people that say ghs sucks. They have so many bad reviews way more than any other breeder I have seen. I got another super bud from a friend they were bought at about the same time it was in soil and I moved it over to hydro and so far is doing good. But talk about a good strain check out humboldt seed org blue dream, I bought a 5 pack while back and every one was great I had one free one from attitude this time and it is by far a faster higher plant than any of the others. I thought sleestack was going to be the best but blue dream killed it.
colocowboy
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Nah bro I'm not mad or nothing, but you shouldn't have jumped my ass for not sipping on the haterade. also don't get me wrong I wouldn't buy any. I don't buy fems, but freebies are otherwise going to rot. Drop some every once in a while and sometimes it's a pleasant experience.
Jogro
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OK, lets think about it.
To create "feminized" ceed you're pollenizing one genetically female plant with pollen obtained from another one (or at least that's what you're "supposed" to be doing).
If done correctly, in fact there should be negligible chance you get a genetically male plant because neither parent should contain a "Y" chromosome region it can pass onto the offspring ceeds to create true males. Just on a basic genetic level, there should be no way to cross two females to get a male.
Now, as you point out, nothing is perfect. . .in any facility, especially a breeding one where lots of strains are being crossed and ceeds created, there is a chance for stray male pollen passed through the air, or even adherent to someone's clothes, to pollinate a female and contaminate a ceed-run. So there is always some small chance a male could be created accidentally that way in a run that's supposed to be feminized.
Of course sloppy breeders can always mislabel ceeds, or accidentally get ceeds from one run mixed up with another, and thats another way a male ceed could end up in a "feminized" pack.
In my opinion, whether or not they actually do it, breeders *should* be guaranteeing that their feminized ceed packs yield all female plants, if not explicitly, then implicitly. . .that's just basic quality control/customer service. Mislabelled ceeds really would be the breeders fault, and while stray pollen arguably may just be an unavoidable risk of making ceeds, any breeder worth their reputation should own up to that sort of thing and address it.
Other ways this can happen?
After a pack is released from a breeder, an unscrupulous dealer/seedbank employee might steal a ceed by switching it out with a generic one that turns out to be male. I've never actually heard of a case of this happening, but its possible, I guess.
Its possible for someone (maybe not so sober) to accidentally swap ceeds in their collection, or plant the wrong one by mistake, or even just confuse ceeds planted from two different strains at the same time, again, potentially growing a male where a female is expected.
Lastly, some plants that are genetically female can express male-like preflowers and be mistaken for males, especially if the plants are intrinsically hermie-prone. I've been fooled this way myself by a plant that put out "perfect" male pre-flowers right next to a sibling with perfect female preflowers. Assuming for sure that the first plant was a male, I kept it for possible ceed-making, only to end up rather surprised when it turned out to be a female after being put under 12-12!
As to "being in it for the money", in my opinion, its a mistake to confuse the motivations of a breeder with the quality of their work product. Just because someone "loves" the plant doesn't mean that they know jack-poo about breeding or that their ceeds are any good. Conversely, just because someone wants to make a lot of money doesn't mean their genetics are bad. What better way is there to make a lot of money breeding than to provide great genetics that everyone wants to buy and great customer service that keeps the buyers loyal and coming back? One would like to think that the best breeders also do OK financially, though unfortunately it isn't always true.
As a general rule, you'd have to assume that anyone who spends considerable amounts of their time professionally breeding cannabis probably loves the plant AND wants to make money. IMO, nothing wrong with that. Personally, I'm just after the best genetics possible. I don't really care why the breeder in question creates them.
Jogro
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Obviously, anyone selling ceeds wants money for them. . .thats only fair payment for their work in creating the line in question (assuming they actually did) and ceeds.
As to the second part, I'm not sure if you're saying that every retail/commercial bean-seller is purely after money but I think its a mistake to assume that every breeder or seller of ceeds is ONLY concerned about money or sales.
Some of them are, for sure.
But some of them are clearly interested in other things too. EG, Steve Tuck, the breeder of the "herijuana" strain created it in large part to address chronic pain and opiate addiction issues he had from personal spinal injury. Even if the idea that he might make money with this line was part of his motivation, it certainly wasn't the only one.
This outfit in Colorado is basically GIVING away its high CBD strain for medical reasons. You can argue that maybe they're doing it for publicity or other business reasons, but they don't need to do that, and who else is doing anything like this? http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2013/02/marijuana_dispensary_high_cbd_strain_seeds_clones.php
And there are plenty of other examples.
Again (and I'm not addressing this specifically at you, Colocowboy), one shouldn't assume that purity of motive and quality of result are correlated. "Love of plant" doesn't imply "great genetics", let alone "great quality control in ceed production".
Many of the best and most famous strains out there (eg Jack Herer, Skunk #1, etc, etc) were deliberately bred as purely commercial lines, and virtually ALL of the best "clone only" ones were (and still are) perpetuated that way. If there were no profit motive, there would be far far fewer individuals willing to spend several years of work, let alone potentially risking years of jail time, just to create new lines.
Jogro
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May I ask. . .what happened to the other nine?
bdt1981
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prop tray got to warm. neglected because the homeowners were fighting a lot at the time. i put down 18 and only 6 made it with prop tray reaching 96 degrees
tommyromano
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Soo much bickering. How many of you are closet growers? (Lol I had too). GHS isn't too terrible. We've seen some good results with the bubba,white widow,king's kush in the quality and quantity department. Yes their prices are cheap for a reason. So if your planning on investing real time and money into a "big" GHS grow, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Only reason why I posted here was because I'm probably the only person on this forum who knows the in's and out's of this strain as we've dedicated two 4k's to this strain (worst mistake I ever made) and we stopped after 7 complete harvests.
Pros: Quality is pretty good for a commercial
Bugs wont touch it (then again we've never had a single insect issue in all our years as we keep everything lab grade)
The very distinct and original flavor is sure to keep you or your clients happy
Doesn't get too bushy
All around pretty easy to grow I can't lie
Cons: Low yield (doesn't matter what you try, though your best option is filling as many small pots of this under one hood)
Can burn pretty quickly (max 900-1100ppm)
Sooo many gosh darn hermies and just plain weak and unstable genes (we've gone through about 80 seeds and picked maybe 2 that we really liked)
8-9 weeks my ass (try 10-12 plus)
About 6-8 different phenos (as I mentioned, we went through about 80 to pick the best and strongest looking)
TIP (more of a guideline so you don't ruin your year or harvest)
1. If your going to go ahead and grow this anyway, make sure you do a SOG with about 8 to 10 five gallon containers under each 1000watt
This strain will NEVER yield more than 3 or 4 ounces, even in a 10 gal. UNLESS you veg for over 4 months. (we've tried everything)
Pros: Quality is pretty good for a commercial
Bugs wont touch it (then again we've never had a single insect issue in all our years as we keep everything lab grade)
The very distinct and original flavor is sure to keep you or your clients happy
Doesn't get too bushy
All around pretty easy to grow I can't lie
Cons: Low yield (doesn't matter what you try, though your best option is filling as many small pots of this under one hood)
Can burn pretty quickly (max 900-1100ppm)
Sooo many gosh darn hermies and just plain weak and unstable genes (we've gone through about 80 seeds and picked maybe 2 that we really liked)
8-9 weeks my ass (try 10-12 plus)
About 6-8 different phenos (as I mentioned, we went through about 80 to pick the best and strongest looking)
TIP (more of a guideline so you don't ruin your year or harvest)
1. If your going to go ahead and grow this anyway, make sure you do a SOG with about 8 to 10 five gallon containers under each 1000watt
This strain will NEVER yield more than 3 or 4 ounces, even in a 10 gal. UNLESS you veg for over 4 months. (we've tried everything)