Riddle me this

dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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So heres my dilemma. If the first law of thermodynamics is correct and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed, and if man is made of matter and energy then what happens to the energy when we die. The matter is obviously returned to the earth. But where does the energy go?
 
Think of a car by comparison, we're just more complex;

"When your car is running, there's an interesting flow of energy of a variety of types through the engine, electrical system, and so forth. When the car is off, most of that flow ceases. The energy itself doesn't disappear or do anything surprising or hard to explain. The thermal energy in the hot engine gradually leaks into the environment, etc."

This quote and more are from; HERE
 
Hey, Dannyboy! Energy is the ability to do work, which in the human body is mainly in the form of electricity and chemical reactions. I'll use the analogy of a car: you put in gasoline as the fuel, give it a catalyst in the form of an electric spark from the starter, and it starts to make energy/electricity by using gas, oxygen and electricity to make small explosions to push mechanical pistons that make the car run. Similarly, our bodies use the food we eat as fuel (broken down into glucose and other nutrients), oxygen (from the lungs), and electricity (from our beating hearts/cardiovascular system) to make chemical reactions to run our bodies. Your question is similar to asking where does the electricity go when I turn off my car? The car simply stops making electricity because the mechanical process that generated this energy is terminated, so no more energy is being made and you're left with only the matter that makes up the car. When we die, our mechanical process is also terminated (our hearts stop beating and our lungs stop breathing), so our bodies stop producing energy and were left only with the matter of which our bodies are composed. The energy doesn't 'go' anywhere, it simply is no longer produced. Of course my example is an over-simplification, but I hope the concept is clear...
 
Beefbisquit said:
Think of a car by comparison, we're just more complex;

"When your car is running, there's an interesting flow of energy of a variety of types through the engine, electrical system, and so forth. When the car is off, most of that flow ceases. The energy itself doesn't disappear or do anything surprising or hard to explain. The thermal energy in the hot engine gradually leaks into the environment, etc."

This quote and more are from; HERE
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Goddamn it, BB! Your post beat mine by seconds, and we used the same analogy! Great minds, huh? ;)
 
We'll be attracted to the earths gravital pull and return to gaya.

Our soul/energy will return to a massive sphere of energy within the earth.
 
dannyboy602 said:
So heres my dilemma. If the first law of thermodynamics is correct and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only transformed, and if man is made of matter and energy then what happens to the energy when we die. The matter is obviously returned to the earth. But where does the energy go?
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There is physics and then there is Metaphysics...Thermodynamics is about the transfer of "thermal" energy, heat or the absence of it...The "energy when we die" in your postulation is a simile without relevance in physics...FWIW
 
automated said:
We'll be attracted to the earths gravital pull and return to gaya.

Our soul/energy will return to a massive sphere of energy within the earth.
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Neat idea... but holds no relevance within this reality. This isn't Final Fantasy 7... though i do wish it was sometimes. /sigh
 
Zaehet Strife said:
Neat idea... but holds no relevance within this reality. This isn't Final Fantasy 7... though i do wish it was sometimes. /sigh
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Hehe, it might be closer to the truth then you might dare imagine :)

You could also die and go to heaven (or hell)... or be reborn in a higher degree of life in society ... or come back as weed plant

Which sounds more plausible ?

Without our electricity within us, we would not be alive, when our bodies die, the electricity doesnt just dissapate.

The words soul and gaya are but references from ancient times past.
Modern day words could call it bio energy and a heat source for glowing magma.
 
automated said:
Without our electricity within us, we would not be alive, when our bodies die, the electricity doesnt just dissapate.
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Actually one of the definitions of death is that the body is no longer capable of producing electrical impulses. If there is none being produced, there is none to dissipate.
 
automated said:
Which sounds more plausible ?
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None... because none of us know what the fuck is even going on right now, let alone what happens when we die. Those who claim to know the truth of it...lol, we know you are lying.

We can pretend we know all we want, most people do... i got no problem with that, it makes people feel good and gives them a sense of comfort. The only thing that rustles my jimmies is when someone claims their pretend truth is the actual truth... then go around spouting some shit about them being enlightened or having some sort of special knowledge of the universe when we all know that you are merely letting your ego get the best of you.

It's scary living in a universe not knowing the answers to the questions that are the most important questions of all, but there are people out there who are just too tired to continue pretending we have the answers... and we become comfortable with not knowing.



 
mindphuk said:
Actually one of the definitions of death is that the body is no longer capable of producing electrical impulses. If there is none being produced, there is none to dissipate.
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Thats true. But it becomes the chicken and the egg story here.

Why do the electrical impulses stop ? (which steer/control the body)

I like to believe its because the body can no longer sustain/hold its internal energy, and whatever remains, returns.
 
Zaehet Strife said:
None... because none of us know what the fuck is even going on right now, let alone what happens when we die. Those who claim to know the truth of it...lol, we know you are lying.

We can pretend we know all we want, most people do... i got no problem with that, it makes people feel good and gives them a sense of comfort. The only thing that rustles my jimmies is when someone claims their pretend truth is the actual truth... then go around spouting some shit about them being enlightened or having some sort of special knowledge of the universe when we all know that you are merely letting your ego get the best of you.

It's scary living in a universe not knowing the answers to the questions that are the most important questions of all, but there are people out there who are just too tired to continue pretending we have the answers... and we become comfortable with not knowing.



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I tend to go with my gut feeling and logic deduction of what seems more plausible and realistic.
To each his or her own beliefs I'd say :)
And tbh, I dont consider them the most important questions, I merely responded appropiatly in a forum thread :)
 
I understand, and i'm not trying to ridicule you in any way Auto. I'm just here to voice my opinion just like everyone else. I understand that most people listen to their "gut feelings" when attempting to answer unanswerable questions... that's the only way we can get an answer. I just want you to understand one, very simple thing.

You could be wrong...

...just sayin'.
/shrug
 
No worries, I'm not troubled by the notion of possibly being wrong, but its how I see it, and until something concrete/tangable makes me see otherwise, I will not let my mind set waver by the insecurity of others, I am firm in my believes and have faith in my judgement.
 
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