Benghazi the truth

ChesusRice

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Analysis: CIA role in Benghazi underreported

To really understand the push-pull over the bungled talking points in the wake of the Benghazi attack, you have to understand the nature of the U.S. presence in that city.
Officially, the U.S. presence was a diplomatic compound under the State Department's purview.
"The diplomatic facility in Benghazi would be closed until further notice," then-State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland announced last October.
But in practice - and this is what so few people have focused on - the larger U.S. presence was in a secret outpost operated by the CIA.
About 30 people were evacuated from Benghazi the morning after the deadly attack last September 11; more than 20 of them were CIA employees.
Clearly the larger mission in Benghazi was covert.


The CIA had two objectives in Libya: countering the terrorist threat that emerged as extremists poured into the unstable country, and helping to secure the flood of weapons after the fall of Moammar Gadhafi that could have easily been funneled to terrorists.
The State Department was the public face of the weapons collection program.


"One of the reasons that we and other government agencies were present in Benghazi is exactly that. We had a concerted effort to try to track down and find and recover as many MANPADS [man-portable air defense systems], and other very dangerous weapons as possible," former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress in January.
The CIA's role during and after the attacks at the diplomatic post and the CIA annex in Benghazi have so far escaped much scrutiny.
The focus has been on the failure of the State Department to heed growing signs of the militant threat in the city and ensure adequate security, and on the political debate over why the White House seemed to downplay what was a terrorist attack in the weeks before the presidential election.
But the public needs to know more about the agency's role, said Republican congressman Frank Wolf, of Virginia.
"There are questions that must be asked of the CIA and this must be done in a public way," said Wolf.
Sources at the State Department say this context explains why there was so much debate over those talking points. Essentially, they say, the State Department felt it was being blamed for bungling what it saw as largely a CIA operation in Benghazi.

Current and former U.S. government officials tell CNN that then-CIA director David Petraeus and others in the CIA initially assessed the attack to have been related to protests against an anti-Muslim video produced in the United States.
They say Petraeus may have been reluctant to conclude it was a planned attack because that would have been acknowledging an intelligence failure.
Internally at the CIA, sources tell CNN there was a big debate after the attacks to acknowledge that the two former Navy SEALs killed – Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty – were CIA employees. At a 2010 attack in Khost, Afghanistan, when seven CIA officers were killed in the line of duty, the agency stepped forward and acknowledged their service and sacrifice. But in this instance - for reasons many in the Obama administration did not fully understand - it took the CIA awhile to "roll back their covers." Petraeus did not attend their funerals.
Wolf said he and his office are getting calls from CIA officials who want to talk and want to share more.
"If you're 50 years old and have two kids in college, you're not going to give your career up by coming in, so you also need subpoena power," said the Republican congressman. "Let people come forward, subpoena them to give them the protection so they can't be fired."
But is the secrecy surrounding the CIA's presence in Benghazi the reason for the administration's fumble after fumble when trying to explain what happened the night of the attack?
There were 12 versions of talking points before a watered down product was agreed upon– suggesting an inter-government squabble over words that would ultimately lay the blame on one agency, or the other.


Perhaps the State Department did not want to get in the line of fire for a CIA operation that they in many ways were just the front for, the CIA "wearing their jacket," as one current government official put it.
The CIA did have an informal arrangement to help the mission if needed, but it was not the primary security for the mission. The State Department had hired local guards for protection.
People at the CIA annex did respond to calls for help the night of the attack. But despite being only a mile away, it took the team 20 to 30 minutes to get there. Gathering the appropriate arms and other resources was necessary.
None of this diminishes questions about how the White House, just weeks before the presidential election, seemed to downplay that this was a terrorist attack. Or the State Department's initial refusal to acknowledge that it had not provided adequate security for its own officials there.
But the role of the CIA, its clear intelligence failure before the attack, and - as it continued to push the theory of the anti-Muslim video - after the attack, bears more scrutiny as well.
 

ginwilly

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That's a decent point Cheesus. The focus from the right has been on Obama. It looks like Rand Paul's questions that seemed to come out of left field to Clinton were spot on. They did appear to shake her but that's when the lies rolled out of her mouth and the left declared a Clinton victory and they bragged on how well she handled it. It was apparent from Panetta's testimony that a conscience decision was made to let the embassy fall. It's a cluster fersure.

I doubt we ever get the whole truth, but I'll just settle for a few truths and some nunyas. Just stop lying already.
 

echelon1k1

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Obama authorised the mission there via a National Security Decision Directive. He and hill'dogz knew what was going on, didn't send help and now think they can pull out the national security card when the public stops buying lie after lie...
 

ginwilly

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It does show Patreaus was against the talking points used by Rice so he's got that going for them. It also shows the WH was heavily involved in the editing when their official stance has been they changed the name embassy to consulate and that's all.

IDK what's going to happen here, possibly nothing. I doubt Hillary runs now, but that's about it.
I doubt Jay Carney survives this. We have a tendency to kill the messenger.
 

ginwilly

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Couple low-levels terminated, mid-levels "early retirement" , high-levels revel in their continued ability to CYA.
I'm sure we'll get to hear "I'm in charge, the buck stops with me, it's all his fault" a few more times before the investigations run their course.
 

Doer

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I doubt Jay Carney survives this. We have a tendency to kill the messenger.
All will survive unless in the Hillary pork pie. Look what happened to Bill. :)

The only thing that I guess that is big enough to keep this going is not about the election at all. That is the smoke screen.

I think they lost those MANPAD collected to AL Q.

The entire story about exactly what happened at the Compound, has not been told. No survivor has testified.
The FBI was blocked and the entire scene scrambled.

It is said on one hand we know who did this and on the other hand it is a criminal investigation.

Here is CBS reporting from Sept 13.
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Meanwhile the Obama administration has begun what appears to be a terrorist hunt in Libya, as evidence mounts that the attack was perpetrated by well-armed thugs and not an out-of-control crowd.
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They still will not, straight up, admit that simple fact, even today. Today, it is still "well there was a video."
 
To hell with Benghazi, we need to have hearings on 9/11 and how the Bush administration let that skip by and the GOP controlled Congress didn't do anything. Where are the hearings?
 

Harrekin

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All will survive unless in the Hillary pork pie. Look what happened to Bill. :)

The only thing that I guess that is big enough to keep this going is not about the election at all. That is the smoke screen.

I think they lost those MANPAD collected to AL Q.

The entire story about exactly what happened at the Compound, has not been told. No survivor has testified.
The FBI was blocked and the entire scene scrambled.

It is said on one hand we know who did this and on the other hand it is a criminal investigation.

Here is CBS reporting from Sept 13.
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Meanwhile the Obama administration has begun what appears to be a terrorist hunt in Libya, as evidence mounts that the attack was perpetrated by well-armed thugs and not an out-of-control crowd.
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They still will not, straight up, admit that simple fact, even today. Today, it is still "well there was a video."
Lets not downplay this, they lost over 20,000 Russian made SA-7's.

"We were guarding the weapons"...BULLSHIT.
 

Doer

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To hell with Benghazi, we need to have hearings on 9/11 and how the Bush administration let that skip by and the GOP controlled Congress didn't do anything. Where are the hearings?
We had them. It resulted in the vote for the Patriot Act that was almost unanimous. (not Obama) You, a typical Partisan, don't blame your side for that. No it was a trick by the GOP. Civics 101, remedial, for you.

You were asleep in Hate Bush for Gore sake!@ The hearings happened and I watched while you fumed at the loss of Gore, apparently.

This administration seems corrupt and incompetent, both. Nothing to do with Politics. Bad governance. He can't Act with outraged, actually does nothing, can only pretend with his eyes crossed in hate. Blame Bush. HA
 

desert dude

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Bush didn't exactly let is slip by. Within 90 days the Afghan landscape was littered with Taliban bodies and broken military hardware. We have been at war ever since. Al Quaida was smashed in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saddam Hussein swung by his neck in late 2007, that was at the hands of Iraqi authorities though.

As Doer points out, we have been blessed with the patriot act as a result as well. Obama didn't vote for the initial patriot act because he was not in the senate at that point. He sure piled on to the patriot act with gusto when he had the chance though.

I am sure it is all the damn tea-baggers fault though, right GreenTea?
 

desert dude

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Analysis: CIA role in Benghazi underreported

To really understand the push-pull over the bungled talking points in the wake of the Benghazi attack, you have to understand the nature of the U.S. presence in that city.
Officially, the U.S. presence was a diplomatic compound under the State Department's purview.
"The diplomatic facility in Benghazi would be closed until further notice," then-State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland announced last October.
But in practice - and this is what so few people have focused on - the larger U.S. presence was in a secret outpost operated by the CIA.
About 30 people were evacuated from Benghazi the morning after the deadly attack last September 11; more than 20 of them were CIA employees.
Clearly the larger mission in Benghazi was covert.


The CIA had two objectives in Libya: countering the terrorist threat that emerged as extremists poured into the unstable country, and helping to secure the flood of weapons after the fall of Moammar Gadhafi that could have easily been funneled to terrorists.
The State Department was the public face of the weapons collection program.


"One of the reasons that we and other government agencies were present in Benghazi is exactly that. We had a concerted effort to try to track down and find and recover as many MANPADS [man-portable air defense systems], and other very dangerous weapons as possible," former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress in January.
The CIA's role during and after the attacks at the diplomatic post and the CIA annex in Benghazi have so far escaped much scrutiny.
The focus has been on the failure of the State Department to heed growing signs of the militant threat in the city and ensure adequate security, and on the political debate over why the White House seemed to downplay what was a terrorist attack in the weeks before the presidential election.
But the public needs to know more about the agency's role, said Republican congressman Frank Wolf, of Virginia.
"There are questions that must be asked of the CIA and this must be done in a public way," said Wolf.
Sources at the State Department say this context explains why there was so much debate over those talking points. Essentially, they say, the State Department felt it was being blamed for bungling what it saw as largely a CIA operation in Benghazi.

Current and former U.S. government officials tell CNN that then-CIA director David Petraeus and others in the CIA initially assessed the attack to have been related to protests against an anti-Muslim video produced in the United States.
They say Petraeus may have been reluctant to conclude it was a planned attack because that would have been acknowledging an intelligence failure.
Internally at the CIA, sources tell CNN there was a big debate after the attacks to acknowledge that the two former Navy SEALs killed – Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty – were CIA employees. At a 2010 attack in Khost, Afghanistan, when seven CIA officers were killed in the line of duty, the agency stepped forward and acknowledged their service and sacrifice. But in this instance - for reasons many in the Obama administration did not fully understand - it took the CIA awhile to "roll back their covers." Petraeus did not attend their funerals.
Wolf said he and his office are getting calls from CIA officials who want to talk and want to share more.
"If you're 50 years old and have two kids in college, you're not going to give your career up by coming in, so you also need subpoena power," said the Republican congressman. "Let people come forward, subpoena them to give them the protection so they can't be fired."
But is the secrecy surrounding the CIA's presence in Benghazi the reason for the administration's fumble after fumble when trying to explain what happened the night of the attack?
There were 12 versions of talking points before a watered down product was agreed upon– suggesting an inter-government squabble over words that would ultimately lay the blame on one agency, or the other.


Perhaps the State Department did not want to get in the line of fire for a CIA operation that they in many ways were just the front for, the CIA "wearing their jacket," as one current government official put it.
The CIA did have an informal arrangement to help the mission if needed, but it was not the primary security for the mission. The State Department had hired local guards for protection.
People at the CIA annex did respond to calls for help the night of the attack. But despite being only a mile away, it took the team 20 to 30 minutes to get there. Gathering the appropriate arms and other resources was necessary.
None of this diminishes questions about how the White House, just weeks before the presidential election, seemed to downplay that this was a terrorist attack. Or the State Department's initial refusal to acknowledge that it had not provided adequate security for its own officials there.
But the role of the CIA, its clear intelligence failure before the attack, and - as it continued to push the theory of the anti-Muslim video - after the attack, bears more scrutiny as well.
This seems quite plausible to me. The attack on the Benghazi was pre-planned and the attackers could not have known that ambassador Stevens would be there, hence the attack was not about Stevens. He was just an unlucky victim.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
This seems quite plausible to me. The attack on the Benghazi was pre-planned and the attackers could not have known that ambassador Stevens would be there, hence the attack was not about Stevens. He was just an unlucky victim.
Could not know he was there!>!>!>!??? NOoooooo. The Libya cartoon govt, was already and still is riddled with Al Q. Ansur types.

The attack on Stevens, was it. Get the weapons and torture the principles. The luck was that Hicks had the shelter built, so Stevens was only murdered. I still believe the necro-buggery, early reports. He was captured by our enemy.

Clauswitz, "On War" He spoke about how the Professional can be countered, they know the risks. The Amateurs are dangerous being so reckless as to be un-predictable.

Oh, in case you are wondering the USA was to be the Amateurs here. Al Q, did this as Pros.

Our response was childish and political and dangerous. It still is, this tap dance is just getting worse.
 

nontheist

Well-Known Member
I'm sure we'll get to hear "I'm in charge, the buck stops with me, it's all his fault" a few more times before the investigations run their course.
Naa Obama doesn't know anything until he hears it on the news. Don't you guys know that by now?
 

desert dude

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Could not know he was there!>!>!>!??? NOoooooo. The Libya cartoon govt, was already and still is riddled with Al Q. Ansur types.

The attack on Stevens, was it. Get the weapons and torture the principles. The luck was that Hicks had the shelter built, so Stevens was only murdered. I still believe the necro-buggery, early reports. He was captured by our enemy.

Clauswitz, "On War" He spoke about how the Professional can be countered, they know the risks. The Amateurs are dangerous being so reckless as to be un-predictable.

Oh, in case you are wondering the USA was to be the Amateurs here. Al Q, did this as Pros.

Our response was childish and political and dangerous. It still is, this tap dance is just getting worse.
If you accept that this was a planned attack then it seems unlikely that the terrorists who conducted attack could have known about Stevens' visit days in advance. I am assuming that such an attack would take several days to pull together.

I don't doubt that the Libyan government is riddled with AQ or AQ sympathizers, so if Stevens shared his travel plans with them then they probably did make the attack coincide with his visit. It is security 101 not to share your travel plans though.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
If you accept that this was a planned attack then it seems unlikely that the terrorists who conducted attack could have known about Stevens' visit days in advance. I am assuming that such an attack would take several days to pull together.

I don't doubt that the Libyan government is riddled with AQ or AQ sympathizers, so if Stevens shared his travel plans with them then they probably did make the attack coincide with his visit. It is security 101 not to share your travel plans though.
Yeah, Libya used to be practically secular...

Good job, Team America.
 

ginwilly

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To hell with Benghazi, we need to have hearings on 9/11 and how the Bush administration let that skip by and the GOP controlled Congress didn't do anything. Where are the hearings?
Yet another reason to impeach Obama, for letting Bushney get away with the lies and cover ups of 9/11 and wars and Patriot act type garbage.

Obama must have been in on it all. He seemed to continue with all of the same policies with a few monstrocities of his own added.
 
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