Halp! Carbon filtering concentrates

[Dan Kone]

I need a lesson on carbon filtering bho/iso. Can anyone explain it to me and/or point me in the right direction of info?

 

[canadian1969]

I am just guessing here, but I would imagine that it is simply blasting your butane as normal, but with the inclusion of activated carbon at the exit. I am not sure that's a great idea as carbon bonds to just about anything. The carbon may actually remove desirable components from your solvent/cannabis solution. Confirmation on this would be cool. I have read that filtering through carbon with ISO will produce a red or blonde coloured output, presumably as the carbon filter is removing chlorophyll from the solution.

The Tamisium extractors sell the stuff (I think they sandwich the plant material between two layers of carbon filter), so there must be a proper use for it.

 

[polyarcturus]

yes you can filter through cabrbon. no it wont bond to the thc, although as in the case with most filters it will still stop some. as for using ISO with it, youll come out with a red substance, but it will be better quality and tastes better.

 

[Dan Kone]

yes you can filter through cabrbon. no it wont bond to the thc, although as in the case with most filters it will still stop some. as for using ISO with it, youll come out with a red substance, but it will be better quality and tastes better.

I have seen this red substance you speak of and would like some information on how one goes about creating it.

 

[canadian1969]

Certainly the fact that the Tamisium extractors use lab grade charcoal suggests it's safe, but it would be nice to know what 'IS' being removed. I also want more info on the ISO red oil, like is isopropanol the only solvent where this occurs in conjunction with activated carbon or are there other methods to achieve this? If this is a scenario that can only be achieved through filtering ISO through carbon, what are the chemical actions taking place?

I wonder what happens when you blast through a carbon filter with BHO.
Matt Rize, Sr Verde ... are you out there?
I think Matt actually uses a Tami

 

[squarepush3r]

Wouldn't activated carbon bond to THC?

 

[Fadedawg]

You can pour the alcohol through a column packed with activated charcoal, or you can mix it with the alcohol, and then filter it out.

Charcoal will preferentially remove the polar elements, which tend to be colored. Carboxylic acid is polar, because of the two oxygen molecules in the COOH group, but is non polar after decarboxylation. Chlorophyll is polar because of the Magnesium atom in its tail.

Activated charcoal will also soak up solution containing the non polar oil, like most absorbent materials, so some good stuff will be lost to the process.

Good subsequent filtration is also key, as residual carbon clouds the solution.

 

[Dan Kone]

Thx guys. I was asking for this because I was lead to believe plant waxes in concentrates were harmful and needed to be filtered out. Now I know that's all bullshit I'm all good.

 

[vacpurge]

lmfao. thats far from bullshit and youre very wrong. plant waxes are the worst thing in the BHO game and absolutely need to be filtered out.

 

[Dan Kone]

lmfao. thats far from bullshit and youre very wrong. plant waxes are the worst thing in the BHO game and absolutely need to be filtered out.

That's simply not true. It's a bullshit internet rumor that people pretend is a fact. I fell for it too until I asked an actual organic chemist who does laboratory testing on cannabis. He laughed. Turns out the "study" that people claim prove wax is bad for you was based on a study of a certain type of wasp wax and has nothing to do with plant wax of any kind. It's complete bullshit being pushed by people trying to hawk their oil.

Misinformation always spreads like a plague through the cannabis community. One person repeats something they heard from another and all of a sudden everyone excepts it as a fact. This is just another instance of that happening.

I challenge anyone to present actual evidence that cannabis plant wax (not insect wax) is harmful in any way.

 

[Fadedawg]

That's simply not true. It's a bullshit internet rumor that people pretend is a fact. I fell for it too until I asked an actual organic chemist who does laboratory testing on cannabis. He laughed. Turns out the "study" that people claim prove wax is bad for you was based on a study of a certain type of wasp wax and has nothing to do with plant wax of any kind. It's complete bullshit being pushed by people trying to hawk their oil.

Misinformation always spreads like a plague through the cannabis community. One person repeats something they heard from another and all of a sudden everyone excepts it as a fact. This is just another instance of that happening.

I challenge anyone to present actual evidence that cannabis plant wax (not insect wax) is harmful in any way.

Short of a full blown study by Berkley, it is simple enough to vaporize oil before and after winterization to tell the difference. I personally can feel the waxes coating my lungs and mouth when vaporizing, as have most of our test panel members.

I don't sell any oil products, or stand to gain by anyone's choice, but note that vaporizing and inhaling plant waxes is little different than vaporizing and inhaling paraffin wax.

 

[Dan Kone]

Short of a full blown study by Berkley, it is simple enough to vaporize oil before and after winterization to tell the difference. I personally can feel the waxes coating my lungs and mouth when vaporizing, as have most of our test panel members.

I'm not arguing that there is no difference, I'm arguing that it isn't harmful. Dabbing wax is less harmful than smoking buds or even cold water hash because it doesn't involve smoking plant matter.

but note that vaporizing and inhaling plant waxes is little different than vaporizing and inhaling paraffin wax.

Except of course that plant waxes are not made of petroleum.

 

[Fadedawg]

I'm not arguing that there is no difference, I'm arguing that it isn't harmful. Dabbing wax is less harmful than smoking buds or even cold water hash because it doesn't involve smoking plant matter.



Except of course that plant waxes are not made of petroleum.

I agree that vaporizing is less harmful than smoking plant matter. I don't agree that coating your lungs with any wax is to be casually dismissed.

I can't do it regularly without my lungs rebelling and a number of test patients have expressed the same complaint. Taking the waxes out, solves that issue for us.

Plant waxes may not be made of petroleum, but the inverse appears to be true. If the effects are similar, the differences may be moot.

 

[Guzias1]

Dan kone.

I think you'll wanna hear this.. You can smoke oil with waxes in it, AND you will not die! Sometimes feels like it though with such a rough hit lingering around in the back of your throat ..

Nowwww. If you further refine that bho, and winterize it, remove the waxes and trace other amounts of contaminants... The hit you take is Wiley smoother. I think people who already smoke tobaccy, and/or can handle huge heavy rips can probably enjoy/prefer bho with waxes in it, you get a heavy hit ..

When you smoke a winterized hit though.. Many times zero cough. And the high rolls right on in

to each his/her own

But I've tested and tried many batches

 

[Dan Kone]

Dan kone.

I think you'll wanna hear this.. You can smoke oil with waxes in it, AND you will not die!

OMG!

Sometimes feels like it though with such a rough hit lingering around in the back of your throat ..

Depending on the process which it's made, yes.

Nowwww. If you further refine that bho, and winterize it, remove the waxes and trace other amounts of contaminants... The hit you take is Wiley smoother.

I'll buy that.

I think people who already smoke tobaccy, and/or can handle huge heavy rips can probably enjoy/prefer bho with waxes in it, you get a heavy hit ..

When you smoke a winterized hit though.. Many times zero cough. And the high rolls right on in

That makes sense too.

to each his/her own

For sure. I don't take big dabs, but when I do take a dab, I want the terpenes too. For terpene retention wax is preferable. But yes, I can understand why some people would prefer winterized.

 

[Dan Kone]

I agree that vaporizing is less harmful than smoking plant matter. I don't agree that coating your lungs with any wax is to be casually dismissed.

Well I asked an organic chemist and he casually dismissed it.

I can't do it regularly without my lungs rebelling and a number of test patients have expressed the same complaint. Taking the waxes out, solves that issue for us.

If that's your preference, awesome. Just not a health risk...

Plant waxes may not be made of petroleum, but the inverse appears to be true. If the effects are similar, the differences may be moot.

Again, not according to what an organic chemist told me.

 

[Fadedawg]

Well I asked an organic chemist and he casually dismissed it.



If that's your preference, awesome. Just not a health risk...



Again, not according to what an organic chemist told me.

Our staff organic chemist assures me I am right and is sticking by his story. I will give your organic chemist the benefit of the doubt, and infer that he hasn't lost his mind, but just didn't understand the question.


I also suggest that doctors, hygienists, and NIOSH are the ones to ask what the effects of breathing wax vapors are, not an organic chemist.


To put this discussion in proper prospective, the US, Canada, and the UK all regulate wax fumes to below 2 mg/cu/meter in the work place, based on NIOSH studies and standards.

 

[Dan Kone]

Our staff organic chemist assures me I am right and is sticking by his story. I will give your organic chemist the benefit of the doubt, and infer that he hasn't lost his mind, but just didn't understand the question.

He understood the question. I was very direct.

To put this discussion in proper prospective, the US, Canada, and the UK all regulate wax fumes to below 2 mg/cu/meter in the work place, based on NIOSH studies and standards.

Are you talking about plant waxes or petroleum products?

 

[vacpurge]

arguing with Fadedawg... come on. his iq is higher than this whole forum combined dude.

youre wrong.

hes right.

plant waxes fucking hurt. and anything that burns the lungs that bad and causes me to think im not going to be able to inhale for the rest of the night cant be good.

maybe theyre not technically plant "waxes" (although I am pretty damn sure they are) I dont care... whatever the hell that white cloudy shit that ends up in my filters after a winterization is, I want it out of my oils!!! it doest nothing but cause burn in the lungs.

the ONLY reason I can see you wanting plant waxes in your oil is for extra weight for extra money... getting rich off damaging others lungs. no thanks. ill take the 10% loss in weight and sleep good at night knowing that im not damaging my lungs, or others even though I know better than that. no more non-winterized oil for me!!!

 

[Dan Kone]

arguing with Fadedawg... come on. his iq is higher than this whole forum combined dude.

Well if he's as smart as you claim then he will surely understand why I'm skeptical of claims made without evidence especially when a credible source has told me otherwise.

youre wrong.

hes right.

That's cool. Just show me the evidence and if it's credible I'll believe it.

plant waxes fucking hurt. and anything that burns the lungs that bad and causes me to think im not going to be able to inhale for the rest of the night cant be good.

Well I imagine that putting heated oil in your lungs is going to burn.

maybe theyre not technically plant "waxes" (although I am pretty damn sure they are) I dont care...

They are waxes, just a different kind of wax. Just because a wasp wax behaves one way and a petroleum product behaves another does not necessarily mean plant waxes are going to have the same effect.

whatever the hell that white cloudy shit that ends up in my filters after a winterization is, I want it out of my oils!!! it doest nothing but cause burn in the lungs.

If it provides you with a smoother smoke that's a pretty good reason IMO. I don't dab as much, but when I do, I want the full flavor. Winterized products don't taste as good.

the ONLY reason I can see you wanting plant waxes in your oil is for extra weight for extra money... getting rich off damaging others lungs. no thanks. ill take the 10% loss in weight and sleep good at night knowing that im not damaging my lungs, or others even though I know better than that. no more non-winterized oil for me!!!

Perhaps you could prove what you're saying is true before throwing out accusations.