using bleach

[joe macclennan]

This is "educated conjecture", but enough hypochlorite to kill the bugs and not singe the roots will leave dead but essentially intact bugs. As they lyse and get chewed up by residual enzyme action, they'll smell a bit. It's a sort of olfactory ghost and not a reason to worry imo. cn

Thanks bear. Hadn't thought about it this way. I am absolutely sure you are correct.

You said earlier that you use regular Clorox due to it being easier dispersed. Makes total sense. It's is a bit of a pain to ensure that the granules of the pool shock are entirely dissolved for me since my mix jug is black instead of opaque.

At what dilution rate do you use the clorox, and in what type of systems?

For maintenance or to quell active infections.

 

[cannabineer]

Thanks bear. Hadn't thought about it this way. I am absolutely sure you are correct.

You said earlier that you use regular Clorox due to it being easier dispersed. Makes total sense. It's is a bit of a pain to ensure that the granules of the pool shock are entirely dissolved for me since my mix jug is black instead of opaque.

At what dilution rate do you use the clorox, and in what type of systems?

For maintenance or to quell active infections.

I haven't used it yet myself, but a friend dosed it at 1 ml per gallon for shock and about 1 ml per 3-5 gallons that for prevention.

I mixed large batches of veg nute for my last grow and stored them for months, then used them for drain-to-waste soilless. What I added was "Physan 20", a benzalkonium prep, at the rate of 5 ml into 100 liters (for 1 ppm final). It kept my nutrient clean, and it didn't decompose (as bleach would over such a time period at lowered pH) or interact with my micros. cn

 

[joe macclennan]

I haven't used it yet myself, but a friend dosed it at 1 ml per gallon for shock and about 1 ml per 3-5 gallons that for prevention.

I mixed large batches of veg nute for my last grow and stored them for months, then used them for drain-to-waste soilless. What I added was "Physan 20", a benzalkonium prep, at the rate of 5 ml into 100 liters (for 1 ppm final). It kept my nutrient clean, and it didn't decompose (as bleach would over such a time period at lowered pH) or interact with my micros. cn

1ml/gallon for shock so bout 1.7oz/50 gallons. Sounds reasonable. Thank you.

 

[flyingsteve]

You make a good point on cost vs. payoff. However you are leaving out the fact that I would have to actively vent my chiller room which would add a bit more to my bill for the fans consumption. plus I have two rez. for flower. One for the first two tables of sog the second for the last two. I run slightly higher nutes in the last 4 weeks. I also have a seperate rez for my ebb and gro. for my flowering mums. So we are talking about closer to $150-200+ dollars a mo. more in electric costs total. It is not the cost so much that I am concerned with it is the extra energy consumption or total kwh used. I really don't want to draw any more attention than I already am.

If you don't have temp problems then a chiller isn't needed, obviously. On the other hand, my grow room is a 12x12 room and it typically stays around 80f in there while lights are on. I usually close the air vents up in the adjacent rooms so I can have more A/C ventilation going through there. By the end of the day light cycle the nute temps will be pushing 76+. Adding the chiller in to the room really didn't increase the ambient temps. Once I get out of this f'n apartment in a few months and in to a house I will vent the lights out to another room or something.

With all this bleach talk, I've heard it said that using bleach can create resistant super bacteria. Sorta like taking antibiotics every time you have a sniffle. Maybe Cannabineer can chime in on this?

I tried bleach and h2o2, etc and found that I like using UV sterilization better. You aren't having to play with chemicals... I use an aquarium canister filter with a polishing filter pad and 9w UV and the water stays nice and clean and any bits of root or plant debris gets filtered out so bacteria has nothing to feed on.

 

[joe macclennan]

My rez's are not in my flower room. they are downstairs on concrete in my veg. room. I keep my veg room at around 70deg,F. While I run my flower room about 77-79f

 

[joe macclennan]

I tried bleach and h2o2, etc and found that I like using UV sterilization better. You aren't having to play with chemicals... I use an aquarium canister filter with a polishing filter pad and 9w UV and the water stays nice and clean and any bits of root or plant debris gets filtered out so bacteria has nothing to feed on.

I have a uv filter similar to this. I almost put it in at the height of the slime a couple of weeks ago. Before being bleached. The only reason I didn't was cuz the extra heat put off by the circ. pump would've forced me to turn a chiller on.

I don't blame you for not wanting to add extra chemicals. I don't want to either. That is why I have been steadily cutting back on the bleach to see where I end up.

It looks like a week with no bleach at all is a bit long at this point for me.

Honestly though. I have only been watering 1x everyother day on my sog for the last week and this helped more than anything. I was just checking things out and Right before flood they were drooping a bit more than I like so I'm gonna go back to 1x a day.

 

[flyingsteve]

Would be ideal to use geothermal cooling... bury some stainless or titanium tubing and that way you could have virtually unlimited number of circuits for different grow ops. I did this for a friend of mine. Under his house is a crawl space and we dug down about 12" in the dirt and laid out some tubing. If you don't have a crawl space to help regulate seasonal temps then you'd have to dig down several feet depending on your seasons. But if your BTU demands are low then it would be a pretty small hole, anyway. In my outdoor F&D setup I buried the 18g plastic tote reservoirs to the rims to help with cooling.

 

[flyingsteve]

Btw, Joe... It must be a real joy to do SOG. I find my 6 plants to be a beautiful site, can't imagine having 20+ going!

 

[joe macclennan]

lotta work. lotta fun too when everything is going smoothly. no fun at all when not.

 

[flyingsteve]

The slime - brown algae or whatever - is back in my system. I thought the water was starting to smell a bit "fishy" and when I popped the canister filter open I found a bit of it being trapped in the bottom, luckily. If it wasn't for the filter system that shit would be every where in my hydro and in the roots. I changed filter pads out and cleaned inside of filter canister with pine-sol (ammonium) and added a liberal amount of SM-90 and 29% h2o2 to the entire system. I'm starting to think that this pathogen is either in my tap water or coming from a contaminated nutrient bottle. If this keeps up I am going to pick up some Pool Shock.

 

[El Tiberon]

I cut my dose down in half from the last change. 1/2 ounce per gallon. No visable algae as yet.

 

[cannabineer]

Would be ideal to use geothermal cooling... bury some stainless or titanium tubing and that way you could have virtually unlimited number of circuits for different grow ops. I did this for a friend of mine. Under his house is a crawl space and we dug down about 12" in the dirt and laid out some tubing. If you don't have a crawl space to help regulate seasonal temps then you'd have to dig down several feet depending on your seasons. But if your BTU demands are low then it would be a pretty small hole, anyway. In my outdoor F&D setup I buried the 18g plastic tote reservoirs to the rims to help with cooling.

That's a great idea if you live in a cool enough climate. I visited a cave not too far from Tucson that was 72 degrees year-round. Up north such a cave would be a useful high 50s in geothermal equilibrium.

The slime - brown algae or whatever - is back in my system. I thought the water was starting to smell a bit "fishy" and when I popped the canister filter open I found a bit of it being trapped in the bottom, luckily. If it wasn't for the filter system that shit would be every where in my hydro and in the roots. I changed filter pads out and cleaned inside of filter canister with pine-sol (ammonium) and added a liberal amount of SM-90 and 29% h2o2 to the entire system. I'm starting to think that this pathogen is either in my tap water or coming from a contaminated nutrient bottle. If this keeps up I am going to pick up some Pool Shock.

Some of those cyanobacteria are practically nuke-proof. You might think about fighting fire with fire. Heisenberg has a fascinating stickied thread about making a "tea" of mixed beneficial microbes and playing Celebrity Deathmatch between the bennies and the slime. cn

 

[flyingsteve]

Some of those cyanobacteria are practically nuke-proof. You might think about fighting fire with fire. Heisenberg has a fascinating stickied thread about making a "tea" of mixed beneficial microbes and playing Celebrity Deathmatch between the bennies and the slime. cn

I've made tea before per his recommendations with Great White Myco... Typically only use it for soil, though. Are you thinking that I should go with bennies over Pool Shock? I'm honestly surprised that the UV lamp isn't blasting it away. It was nothing nearly like I've had it before, pre-UV and filter... I was thinking that I should go with biological filtration, it's a type of medium that you put in the canister filter that bacteria will live in... In an aquarium this provides a place for beneficial bacteria to filter out fish waste. I'd have to turn the uv lamp off then, obviously... Guess I'll wait a few more days and see if the cyanobacteria returns in force... If so, then I'll brew a tea and try that route.

 

[joe macclennan]

Things are Finally starting to turn around. looking a-lot better overall. Very few fungus gnats. No sign of the root aphids, and the girls are starting to get new growth. No sign of the slime. good to go. Now I'm thinking about all those dead roots and gnat bodies and shit. Probably gonna go back to the h202 to help break them down. I also got a rez changed again. I decided to follow homebrewers lead and try some of the dynagro veg 7-9-5 for flower for about 25% of my room. We'll see.

The bleach did the trick for sure against the slime. One oz. solution/gallon is a bit much tho. Deffinitely fried some roots at these levels. I figure it to be a trade off. At the rate that slime was going I would have had to shut down. so I prob. salvaged just over half my tables. Not too bad considering.

I ordered some gnatrol for the few gnats left and some more sticky traps. I seriously don't want these fuckers to come back. I like what I have read about the gnatrol. It seems like it would be a good option for me in veg. I don't use h202 or bleach in veg. Don't need it, thankfully. I also added a dehumidifer and two fans to my veg. room today.

Am I correct in assuming that since The gnatrol is biological, bleach or peroxide can't be used? I've got some azaguard coming to use in flower I know it can be used with h202 so If I have to continue running the peroxide in flower I can use that.

Another question I had will the h202 react with the protekt I am running? I thought I read somewhere it would.

I've never used sm-90 before, what is it exactly?

 

[cannabineer]

I've made tea before per his recommendations with Great White Myco... Typically only use it for soil, though. Are you thinking that I should go with bennies over Pool Shock? I'm honestly surprised that the UV lamp isn't blasting it away. It was nothing nearly like I've had it before, pre-UV and filter... I was thinking that I should go with biological filtration, it's a type of medium that you put in the canister filter that bacteria will live in... In an aquarium this provides a place for beneficial bacteria to filter out fish waste. I'd have to turn the uv lamp off then, obviously... Guess I'll wait a few more days and see if the cyanobacteria returns in force... If so, then I'll brew a tea and try that route.

After a coupla failed tries at better living through chemistry ... yeah; I'd bring in the tiny specialists. cn

 

[cannabineer]

Things are Finally starting to turn around. looking a-lot better overall. Very few fungus gnats. No sign of the root aphids, and the girls are starting to get new growth. No sign of the slime. good to go. Now I'm thinking about all those dead roots and gnat bodies and shit. Probably gonna go back to the h202 to help break them down. I also got a rez changed again. I decided to follow homebrewers lead and try some of the dynagro veg 7-9-5 for flower for about 25% of my room. We'll see.

The bleach did the trick for sure against the slime. One oz. solution/gallon is a bit much tho. Deffinitely fried some roots at these levels. I figure it to be a trade off. At the rate that slime was going I would have had to shut down. so I prob. salvaged just over half my tables. Not too bad considering.

I ordered some gnatrol for the few gnats left and some more sticky traps. I seriously don't want these fuckers to come back. I like what I have read about the gnatrol. It seems like it would be a good option for me in veg. I don't use h202 or bleach in veg. Don't need it, thankfully. I also added a dehumidifer and two fans to my veg. room today.

Am I correct in assuming that since The gnatrol is biological, bleach or peroxide can't be used? I've got some azaguard coming to use in flower I know it can be used with h202 so If I have to continue running the peroxide in flower I can use that.

Another question I had will the h202 react with the protekt I am running? I thought I read somewhere it would.

I've never used sm-90 before, what is it exactly?

1) Gnatrol plus a chemosterilant = dead Gnatrol. Sorry.

2) Pro-tekt is just potassium silicate. It won't cross-react with peroxide or bleach.

About the gnats ... I've heard cinnamon works. There are essential oil preps ... I saw one at the casa de hydro but don't remember the brand ... it had cinnamon oil in it. That will stand up better to peroxide but not bleach. cn

 

[joe macclennan]

I've got some sns-203 which I used last week combined with evergreen liquid pyrethrin as a drench solution. I waited a couple hours after flood and did the drench. That way it had 24 hours for the drench to work before the next flood.It really knocked those gnats down but there are still some left and I found several larvae today as I was cleaning. I wasn't even looking for em so I take that as a bad sign.

I believe both the sns and the pyrethrin break down fairly quickly so they seemed a good option along with azagard to throw in the rotation if needed when running sterilizers.

So I'll run the gnatrol in veg. to start. That would work out great really. It could be here sat.

Got my new respirator today too. I feel like I am on breaking bad when I put it on.

I appreciate your advice bear. Finding someone with your knowledge and willing to help, is rare around here.

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• You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cannabineer again.
  

Edit: I ordered some cinnamon oil.8 oz for 20 buks. We'll give it a shot. It's gotta smell better than that god awful sns203 or pyrethrin.

 

[flyingsteve]

Turns out I had some light leaks in my hydro totes, pretty bad ones at that. Probably why the bacteria returned. I want to try some Pool Shock or something... What do you guys recommend? I don't want to fry my plants, though. I found some Chlorine Free shock

http://www.lesliespool.com/Home/Pool-Chemicals/Pool-Shock/14543.html

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[flyingsteve]

Ah, just noticed that that Chlorine Free Shock does this "Also reactivates bromine, eliminates ammonia, nitrogen compounds"

Cannabineer, how much liquid bleach (sodium hypochlorite) would you recommend per gal of nutrient solution?

 

[joe macclennan]

• 1 ml per gallon for shock and about 1 ml per 3-5 gallons that for prevention.​