Power is in fascism. Absolute power is in free market fascism.

[Red1966]

Not really the BIGGEST problem, but a problem I agree with you on for sure.

For the biggest among us, it is their biggest problem. I think that earns it the title "BIGGEST".

 

[abandonconflict]

I am referring to, and quoting from, the link you posted entire as an argument. At this point, you're arguing with yourself. Perfect thread judo achieved. cn

You're trying to argue that the Embargo has never affected Cuba are you not?

 

[Rob Roy]

You again demonstrate your stupidity in matters which you presume to understand. Socialism is not synonymous with communism. I'll quote George Orwell:



As for your contention that there has ever been Soviet socialism, Another Orwell quote:

They have a lot in common. For instance in both systems, the operation depends not on willing participation. Both have forced participation at the core, both lessen freedom.

 

[abandonconflict]

They have a lot in common. For instance in both systems, the operation depends not on willing participation. Both have forced participation at the core, both lessen freedom.

Same also in capitalism. Privatization is just as coercive but even less accountable. At least with socialism (the sort Orwell described, sadly Cuba is the best I have to work with) there is a role for the public. If it is freedom you wish to maximize, inequality is the wrong approach.

 

[abandonconflict]

Open question to anyone. Would you agree that the US is fascist according to Orwell's definition, thus earning the description which has itself become a common adjective "Orwellian"? Do you accept his description (even in part)?

The quotes are accurate, they come from The Lion and the Unicorn and 1984.

 

[Rob Roy]

Same also in capitalism. Privatization is just as coercive but even less accountable. At least with socialism (the sort Orwell described, sadly Cuba is the best I have to work with) there is a role for the public. If it is freedom you wish to maximize, inequality is the wrong approach.

I'm a fan of free market interactions. Willing seller, willing buyer, unwanted parasitic 3rd parties can fuck off.

Socialism "better" than capitalism or communism or fascism ? Who cares if you are eaten by a leopard, tiger or a grizly bear. Why be involved with ANY system that relies on the use of force to ensure participation?

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm a fan of free market interactions. Willing seller, willing buyer, unwanted parasitic 3rd parties can fuck off.

Socialism "better" than capitalism or communism or fascism ? Who cares if you are eaten by a leopard, tiger or a grizly bear. Why be involved with ANY system that relies on the use of force to ensure participation?

The state exists to protect private property.

 

[GOD HERE]

Yeah, I know. There is nothing to consume and nothing to buy consumables with if there was something to consume. Socialism/communism is the equal distribution of poverty, unless you are in the politburo.

Cuba lived off of Soviet welfare until the Russians collapsed under the weight of their failed socialist/communist experiment.

How fuckin stupid are you? Do you just drool by the radio all day and memorize talking points? They don't call it STALINISM and LENINISM because the USSR was socialist or communist. They have distinct names for those social and economic theories because they were NOT socialist or communist. Socialism and communism are left wing political philosophies. The left wing by definition is an anti authoritarian platform. Stalin, Lenin, etc used propaganda to hijack a marxist revolution and create an authoritarian state. The reason they were able to do this is because 1. Most people are stupid and 2. Marxism is a fatally flawed philosophy because of it's authoritarian transition to socialism and communism. The third reason is nationalism.

There are no truly socialist systems, nor have their ever been since the industrial revolution. Socialism cannot exist within a global capitalist economy. That is why if socialism were ever to exist it would require a global reformist approach or even a revolution, and the reorganization of the existing capitalist system. In our present political/social atmosphere, it's not possible.

At least know what you're talking about before you regurgitate another republican talking point.

 

[desert dude]

How fuckin stupid are you? Do you just drool by the radio all day and memorize talking points? They don't call it STALINISM and LENINISM because the USSR was socialist or communist. They have distinct names for those social and economic theories because they were NOT socialist or communist. Socialism and communism are left wing political philosophies. The left wing by definition is an anti authoritarian platform. Stalin, Lenin, etc used propaganda to hijack a marxist revolution and create an authoritarian state. The reason they were able to do this is because 1. Most people are stupid and 2. Marxism is a fatally flawed philosophy because of it's authoritarian transition to socialism and communism. The third reason is nationalism.

There are no truly socialist systems, nor have their ever been since the industrial revolution. Socialism cannot exist within a global capitalist economy. That is why if socialism were ever to exist it would require a global reformist approach or even a revolution, and the reorganization of the existing capitalist system. In our present political/social atmosphere, it's not possible.

At least know what you're talking about before you regurgitate another republican talking point.

Yeah, yeah, I have heard it before. It boils down, "yeah but that wasn't real socialism/communism". The problem with that thinking is that humans are not socialist, or communist, they are capitalists, so every time a socialist utopia is created it devolves down to the commisars living like Pashas and the peons starving.

A quote that I read years ago from a Russian peon still reverberates with me today: "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work." I have never heard a better summary of socialism/communism.

By the way, kudos on your reply. This is the first time I have seen you put together several paragraphs. I raise my estimation of you from moron to simply slow.

 

[abandonconflict]

humans are not socialist, or communist, they are capitalists

Hi, I'm a socialist.

 

[abandonconflict]

Fox News will undoubtedly continue on with honest reporting.

 

[GOD HERE]

Hi, I'm a socialist.

Don't even bother. Desert Downy has listened to so much opinion programming that he's developed a condition where he's unable to do anything but repeat talking points. Not only has he lost the ability to think critically, he's also lost the ability to form an opinion.

 

[abandonconflict]

Don't even bother. Desert Downy has listened to so much opinion programming that he's developed a condition where he's unable to do anything but repeat talking points. Not only has he lost the ability to think critically, he's also lost the ability to form an opinion.

and some people wonder why I post so many images

 

[abandonconflict]

What this war has demonstrated is that private capitalism – that is, an economic system in which land, factories, mines and transport are owned privately and operated solely for profit – does not work. It cannot deliver the goods. This fact had been known to millions of people for years past, but nothing ever came of it, because there was no real urge from below to alter the system, and those at the top had trained themselves to be impenetrably stupid on just this point. Argument and propaganda got one nowhere. The lords of property simply sat on their bottoms and proclaimed that all was for the best.

~George Orwell

George Orwell (anarchist) tried to warn you newbs.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

I think even the term "socialism" is far to restrictive. It seems we like to attach ourselves to other philosophies from the past and that is where all of our attention goes. I have caught myself doing this until I realized I needed to start looking to the future and formulating my own ideas and creating new terms. Socialism is in the past. It offers a frame of reference but it is more of a signpost rather than a map.

We have to create the map.

 

[abandonconflict]

I think even the term "socialism" is far to restrictive. It seems we like to attach ourselves to other philosophies from the past and that is where all of our attention goes. I have caught myself doing this until I realized I needed to start looking to the future and formulating my own ideas and creating new terms. Socialism is in the past. It offers a frame of reference but it is more of a signpost rather than a map.

We have to create the map.

Cool opinion. You're also the guy who thinks altruism doesn't exist.

 

[GOD HERE]

I think even the term "socialism" is far to restrictive. It seems we like to attach ourselves to other philosophies from the past and that is where all of our attention goes. I have caught myself doing this until I realized I needed to start looking to the future and formulating my own ideas and creating new terms. Socialism is in the past. It offers a frame of reference but it is more of a signpost rather than a map.

We have to create the map.

Socialism is a very broad word that at its most basic level is public control over the economy. You're going to have a hard time coming up with an economic idea that's not already covered by capitalism, syndicalism, communism, socialism, fascism, anarchism, or any of their subsets. There's a lot of ideas jam packed into those words.

 

[abandonconflict]

Socialism is a very broad word that at its most basic level is public control over the economy. You're going to have a hard time coming up with an economic idea that's not already covered by capitalism, syndicalism, communism, socialism, fascism, anarchism, or any of their subsets. There's a lot of ideas jam packed into those words.

I agree.

To the bold, I love the phrase Power to the People. It perfectly sums this fact in a way that appeals to egalitarianism.

 

[SlaveNoMore]

Cool opinion. You're also the guy who thinks altruism doesn't exist.

Right.........

 

[GOD HERE]

I agree.

To the bold, I love the phrase Power to the People. It perfectly sums this fact in a way that appeals to egalitarianism.

No man, how many times does Desert Downy have to tell you? Freedom is in the free market, cause it has the word free in it.