Thundercat
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Thats crazy looking how does it work?
The French Cannoli` Hash Thread
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Frenchy Cannoli
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The funky hat is made of aluminum with a bunch of "metal wire" of a kind inside. The bottom is made of a metal container where you put flower/kief/trims with your alcohol, under this container there is a bulb which give the source of heat. It works like a slow cooker, the steam from the alcohol is cold enough to be liquid again by the time it reach the top, with all the metal and stuff in the hat. We cooked our kief for 12 hours or so (2 or 3 times a batch).
We used 2nd to 3rd grade kief, like medium quality, and the results were scary for most people. As a smoke it was strong but not tasty, as an edible a brutal with just the tip of a knife
We used 2nd to 3rd grade kief, like medium quality, and the results were scary for most people. As a smoke it was strong but not tasty, as an edible a brutal with just the tip of a knife
Cannabis Aficionado
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You're absolutely correct frenchy, the terpenes for the most part do not get flushed out.
Contrary to popular belief with many hash meisters up here in "the triangle" and down in the bay is the common misconception that terpenes are water soluble. This however, is not true, the chemical composition of terpenes is in fact a class of "Hydrocarbons" which are not soluble in water and soluble only in alcohol and other petroleum derived solvents such as propane or butane. This is why you cannot have the intense flora-packed nose with BHO, ISO, even CO2 hash/oil that this particular type of pressed hash has. Much of the terpenes "get lost in translation" so-to-speak when dissolved in the oil making process. Keeping as much of the trichome glands intact as possible is paramount to achieving a very powerful and distinctive aroma to your art work (i.e. hash).
A secret among breeders here in the emerald triangle is to breed not for THC but solely for terpenes. This is all I breed for, THC is secondary- Terpenes is primary. The terpenes unlock the true potential of the THC, so the utmost care must be taken in preserving these magical psychoactive "THC-catalysts"
Furthermore, the reason why Frenchy's style of pressed hashish has such an intense nose and only get better with age is due to the interaction the terpenes have with the THC in the pressing process. When resin glands are ruptured this not only releases terpenes but more interestingly the terpenes, when ruptured, activates various properties within the THC itself.
snap1234
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CA, are your genetics available outside of CA, like OR for instance? All of frenchy's description of your strains have me very interested in your work, and I had saw on your webpage that they would be up soon. Thanks for sharing your thoughts so far, i'm learning so much....
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Hey Snap, as of the moment our genetics are only available in CA. For years, my team and I have operated on a strictly invitation/referral only basis- As a private breeding boutique working with highly exclusive elites and bespoke creations we try to cultivate only the most serious connoisseurs who will execute their growing techniques with flawless passion, this is often the rule of thumb with other high-profile breeders here in the emerald triangle. However, we are indeed releasing our latest collection on the market within the next few months, towards the end of summer. I personally am making an effort to get our work up to Oregon and Washington, I've seen tremendous talent from Oregon and it's a shame not to collab with such ruthless talent that exists up there. It's taking us longer than usual to meet the increase in demand simply because we refuse to cut any corners, and all artists should work with the highest quality ingredients possible. Cheers snap!
danky supreme
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What is it about terpenes that gives them medicinal value. Clearly cannabis is not the only plant in the world that contains them, although from what i understand cannabis contains the highest concentration of them. Lemons contain lemoneine(pardon the spelling error). Does that mean lemons have a medicinal value as well?
danky supreme
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And by medicinal i mean beyond any nutritional value
snap1234
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Thanks for the info CA, your professionalism and obvious commitment to the upmost dankness is much appreciated! I look forward to the day when we can see your Pinot Noir growing on the slopes here in the Willamette Valley next to the pinot noir vineyards.
snowboarder396
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Aromatherapy is a great form of therapy in many ways. Especially for stress, ptsd, and even pain. Etc. There is recently more research being done into aromatherapy and it's medicinal values. Especially with marijuana, as it has more terpene profiles than any other plant known to man. There are several articles on this. In fact I may have posted one on this topic under my thread all things informative about marijuana. if not then i will post it. Good stuff
Frenchy Cannoli
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Hey Snowboarder, posting the articles on terpenes you mentioned would be very appreciated. Terpenes are vital to quality and not only to the quality of your smoke.
Frenchy Cannoli
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The trichomes from dry and fresh plants are slightly different but not to the point of not pressing and melting.
The quality of your kief is not good I am afraid. Actually pressing a little kief in the palm of your hand is perfect for judging quality.
'ome Grown
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This. 100% agree.
thetrickstergod
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Can the perfume making process be applied to cannabis? ie you just want the flower essence for aromatherapy or perfume/colognes, seems info on the net for true essential oil extraction is all over the map. Is there a process for making cannabis perfume and essential oils that is similar to the traditional perfume making process? and yeah marketing skunk#1 as a perfume would be problematic....
Frenchy Cannoli
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Absolutely, I am actually working on such a project but with a more medical angle to the use of the terpenes.
Actually Butane and C02 extraction methods were created for the perfume industry to recover the most volatile terpenes
Cannabis Aficionado
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Hey Snap,
Speaking of Willamette Valley, my lady who also runs the company and took the cup with me this year is also from your neck of the woods. We have lots of love and friends that way, perhaps we should connect next time I'm up there. I've got a sort of love affair with the Eugene area, you cannot beat the vibe it's the closest it gets to the Emerald Triangle vibe outside of cali. Cheers!
Cannabis Aficionado
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This is interesting regarding CO2 and Butane for extracting volatile terpenes. Since butane is the current industry standard for extracting oils from the plants, we often see a heavy loss in terpenes. Like C02 extraction, butane is often used in the perfume making process through a different process referred to as "Super Critical Fluid Extraction", this is when the solvent/s are purged in a closed loop system under tremendous pressure (ranging from 0-10,000 psi). When using CO2 or Butane solvents all hydrocarbons, fatty acids, lipids, and oils are extracted in this particular process- so you rarely get the perfect mixture of THC and Terpenes devoid of lipids and fatty acids (i.e. filler). The benefit to SFE extraction is you can fine-tune your calibrations to extract ONLY the terpenes from other oils and hydrocarbons present in the plant matter. Currently since OIL is the rage most CO2 SFE extractions are calibrated towards extracting the THC-laden essential oils, and when SFE is calibrated in such a manner we often loose a large amount of terpenes. The reserve can also be true, essential oil SFE extracted solely for volatile terpenes can leave out a large portions of desired THC. Although it is possible to fine-tune the extraction process to include both high concentrations of terpenes and THC, I personally haven't seen it done yet. A dear colleague of mine whom is a chemist from Humboldt State University, says this is definitely possible however this perfect balance would be the holy grail of closed-loop SFE CO2 extraction. But due to the exorbitant cost of the SFE machinery ($25,000-$30,000) and intense technical knowledge and expertise needed to achieve the "perfect-calibrations" we haven't seen much SFE CO2 or Butane oil on the market that can achieve similar results to the taste and aroma of traditional pressed hashish. Friends of mine have executed CO2 extraction with test result in the 94% THC range however it majorly lacked an intense nose and for the most part was devoid of any taste- but it was STTRROOOONNNNGGG.
But it is only a matter of time before a bright mind perfects the method and delivers top quality tasting oils
Thundercat
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Thats the same info I came across when I started looking in to CO2 extraction. The cost is very prohibitive, but the potential seems to be almost limitless. The ability to "fine-tune" as you said is fascinating to me. I think being able to pick and choose which terpenes, and cannabinoids you extract which allows such control over the final product would be amazing!