Extractions Explained

[rory420420]

ccc..I've wondered the same about blind and deaf individuals...drifter..ebay..and lowes or home depot..got all the solvents and glassware you will need for mescaline extraction...duck,thanks a bunch!! Had a lot of that in my little folder ikn my head,but its allways nice for refreshers and pointers!

 

[mushead]

Thanks Duck! i could read about extractions all day, must've missed this.

 

[Drifter126]

Anybody got a picture of the glass funnels I'll need and Which Chemicals do the best?

 

[MrEDuck]

It's a separatory funnel, you can google what it looks like. For mescaline xylene and limonene both work very well for the nonpolar then you want to wash it with something that is partially polar like anhydrous acetone or anhydrous alcohol. Bake a whole bunch of epsom salts for an hour at 350F at least to dry them out and use that to dry whatever you're using to wash.

 

[Impman]

It's a separatory funnel, you can google what it looks like. For mescaline xylene and limonene both work very well for the nonpolar then you want to wash it with something that is partially polar like anhydrous acetone or anhydrous alcohol. Bake a whole bunch of epsom salts for an hour at 350F at least to dry them out and use that to dry whatever you're using to wash.

nervous to order a seperatory funnel, maybe thats dumb but what can i do for a makeshift one?

 

[MrEDuck]

A glass turkey baster works, but you can just order a sep funnel. Lab equipment purchases of less than $100 aren't recorded.

 

[justlearning73]

Mr Duck you seem to know what you are talking about. You put this info in an easy to read format. You explained not only the hows, but also the whys. My question for now is why isnt this stickied? But i have noticed that about this side of the site, there is not much stickied. Is there a reason for that over here? I am sure most of you know that on the grow side of things alot of good info is readily availible with out having to really search for it. Why is it not that way over here? I am interested in trying to grow some mushies. I thought well I will head to this part of the site to get a good start on the info i need. Hard to do when nothing is stickied. Sorry about going on I stoned. LOL

 

[racerboy71]

i've gotten methyl ethyl ketone in the eyes i few times mre, and it surely is not a pleasant experience to say the least..
i love how you stress safety, you're a good man charlie brown..

my worst experience so far wasn't with chemicals, but rather being a few inches from an u.v. light as it opened.. damn thing burned my retina and i thought i had really screwed up pretty badly.. several days of a scratchy feeling eye later and it all turned out well and taught me a valuable lesson to say the least..

 

[MrEDuck]

If I got solvent in my eyes once I would switch to goggles. I like being able to see. I can't imagine getting a blast from a uv light though.
justlearning thanks for the kind words, I've never asked for it to be stickied and extractions can be a sore point, better not to shout about them.

 

[justlearning73]

Yeah I hear what you are saying. But you are putting it out there along with the safety stuff to go with it so people dont get hurt. I thought we were all adults. Shouldnt we have the info availible for those that are going to do it and then in turn do it in a safe way? Well I am new to this side of the site. Not sure what the ends and outs are yet. Personally i think when you have people that take the time to put out good info it should be readily availible. I mean it is people like you and canndo (I think might be wrong) and all the other more experienced people that take the time to gather the info and type it all out that make RIU so great. Helps people like me to become better growers.

 

[racerboy71]

hey mre, i have a question for you that may seem a bit silly for you, but it's something i've wondered about often and after a google search, i'm still scratching my head as they used terms to describe it that are still over my head and you have a way of not doing so to a much greater point..
here goes.. would you mind describing the difference between polar and non polar solvents to me please in terms that i can grasp? like i said, just tried finding out for myself, but didn't really help all that much..

 

[justlearning73]

Thanks who ever stickied this.

 

[MrEDuck]

I'm guessing it was Daath, thanks whoever did
Racer polarity is talking about the type of bonds in a molecule. Atoms of given types have different levels they attract electrons which we call electronegativity. The lower the electronegativity the more readily the atom gives up an electron, the higher the more readily it grabs them. The alkali metals have the lowest electronegativity decreasing with increasing atomic mass (the additional layers of electrons between the nucleus and the valance electrons decreases the attractive force), the N, O, and F are the most electronegative elements. When there is a large difference between the electronegativity of two elements combining to form a compound the normal result is an ionic compound. When a covalent bond is formed between two elements of dissimilar electronegativity the result is a polar bond. You don't have the formally charged particles found in ionic compounds, but you aren't neutral the way nonpolar covalent bonds are. Because a hydrogen ion would be a lone proton they can't exist in normal circumstances we can survive in. Because of this when hydrogen forms compounds with extremely electronegative or electropositive elements they have to be polar. The most familiar example of this is water, where the electron density around the hydrogen is so reduced that it bears a partial positive charge while the oxygen bears a partial negative charge, these cause individual water molecules to be very attracted to each other. Polar compounds dissolve best in polar solvents and nonpolar substances in nonpolar solvents. Nonpolar solvents are things that have no polar bonds or very few compared to a large number of nonpolar ones. Examples would be butane, toluene, and ether. Polar solvents have polar bonds and are broken into two types, protic meaning having a polar bond to a hydrogen like in water or an alcohol, and aprotic which lacks a polar bond with a hydrogen. Examples are things like acetone and other ketones.
I'll go into more detail when I'm not on m phone.

 

[racerboy71]

thanks mre, i'll have to read that over a good couple of times to grasp it a bit better, but it makes much more sense than what i was getting via the wiki page google took me to..
thanks for your time and dumbing it down enough for me..

 

[ineverveg]

thanks mre, i'll have to read that over a good couple of times to grasp it a bit better, but it makes much more sense than what i was getting via the wiki page google took me to..
thanks for your time and dumbing it down enough for me..

I feel you bro,i have tried a few times now and kept fucking it up , for most of the online info you have to be walter white to understand the twat,as with green i like to know what im smoking so i gotta nail it coz i dont know whats in the freebase i get on the net, but fuck me its strong.
Ill be happy if one day my dumbass will crack the code so i can make my own strong shit , maybe the aliens will help me lol !

 

[MrEDuck]

I just answered a question about cold water extraction of opioids from opioid/acetaminophen combinations for the billionth time. I'm putting it in here since it's a sticky and maybe it will get read. I can't edit the original post, if a mod still can and could even just put a link to this post and a note in the OP that would be great.
Here's the process, if you can make coffee you can do this.
1) Crush the pills. I use a little pill crusher that's $5 at any pharmacy.
2) Add 1-2mL/pill of ice cold water, make sure you use a known quantity of water so you can figure out dosage if you're doing multiple doses in one shot.
3) Stir vigorously until the material is all wet and evenly dispersed.
4) Filter. I find a small funnel with a coffee filter works very well and costs almost nothing.
It's really really simple and your liver will thank you by not saying fuck you and walking out on the job one day.

 

[racerboy71]

hey mre, how about a quick tut for washes if you will please and thank you sir..

 

[MrEDuck]

Not really much to explain with an acetone wash. For MDMA I'd use about 15-20mL/g of cold anhydrous acetone or MEK. Stir up the product and tehn filter it, it should be much cleaner. I've seen GC results showing mid 90s for purity by the normal way or low 80s by the silly Dutch way. I prefer recrystallization myself. 50mL of acetone will dissolve a gram of MDMA when it's boiling. Slowly allow it to cool and collect the crystals by filtration and then let them dry to a constant weight, preferably in a desiccator. I would start with less MEK owing to it's much higher boiling point, but I don't recall the solubility offhand.
To make solvent anhydrous you can bake epsom salts in the oven (I do at least an hour at 400F, you'll see a change in the appearance when it's anhydrous vs some hydrate) then quickly crush them and add a lot them (I like to use about 1/4 of the volume of solvent) and shake thoroughly and decant the solvent. For polar solvents that form an azeotrope with water like light alcohols you'll probably want to do this 3 times, for polar solvents that don't like acetone you'll want to do it twice. If you really need to be certain that your nonpolar solvent is anhydrous once will probably do it, but that's not a common need at all. If you need to store an anhydrous solvent leave some of the anhydrous epsom salts in with it and really seal the bottle with something like electrical tape.

 

[Bublonichronic]

Thanks for the write up duck, I'm gonna have to read It a couple times aswell..sorry if u answers this already, but iv Been wondering if u can extract pure CBD with a AB extract?

 

[MrEDuck]

Cannabinoids lack a site that can be protonated so an A/B extraction would be pretty useless. To get pure CBD or THC you would need to do an extraction and then use chromatography to separate the extracts.