Persian White Poppy Late Harvest + Other Poppy Growing and Heroin Production Info

bluntmassa1

bluntmassa1

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TheSnake said:
Very interested. How does one simply grow opium? Seed's of some sort I'm assuming.

Ok drunken snake has left the garden...
I read more now, lol. How do you acquire seeds? Opium in its self in smoke-able form is an un-tapped market around my parts, I would love some info, as well as to try it. Although I am strongly against heroin, in general... Opium is not exactly that, and you sure as fuck don't have to shoot anything up. I think my mind is just geared towards "shooting up anything is just plain and simple, too much." as a gym rat at heart, the only thing i would inject is anabolics, not into a vein either, into my ass... I mean it cant be all bad, Ichabod Crane from the headless horseman was on it whilst solving murders and being a scientist pioneer of his generation hahahaha!!!!
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they sell them all on ebay and other sites even persian whites just make sure its a papaver somniferum poppy variety.
 
canndo

canndo

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consider. There are certain drugs that are cherished and antique. There have been several discussions over methaquaalone recently, I would wager that there are folks here who would pay 20 or even 40 dollars for the privilege of trying this mythical substance, they would not make a habit of it, but they would pay. For one who has never had acid, they might pay $30 or $50 for what they knew was a premium dose in the 300 ug range. Opium has a niche and those who enjoy smoking cooked opium would pay top dollar for that, if the opium was of good quality, I know I would pay $30 a gram without batting an eye and might go to $50 if I knew it was of fine quality. I would have no problem paying $700 an ounce. Now how does that stack up to the price paid for diacetyl morphine? I don't know the conversions but I can easily get heroin (more easily than many might imagine). If I want opium, now that is a different story. Imagine a world of vodka drinkers and you just want a fine tasting beer, but the value is in the vodka, so where do you go for your ice cold beer? and how much would you pay for that - even though the alcohol content of the beer is 5 percent and the vodka is 40? Sometimes a guy will pay a premium for a six pack regardless of how much of a buzz he might get.
 
MrEDuck

MrEDuck

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Opium is ~10% morphine so factoring in the losses during extraction and synthesis and the weight gained by acetylization and I'd say 10oz is a good estimate.
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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100 oz of opium = 10 oz or morphine = 1 ounce raw H... if you dont believe me look it up yourself. look up converting opium to #4 heroin...
 
2cimdma

2cimdma

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Yes the 10 to 1 ratio is correct. Of course sometimes you get a little more and sometimes a little less but the 10 to 1 is what I use when estimating how much H I will get from x amount of O. So when harvesting opium I can do a estimate of how much heroin base I will come out with by weighing the raw opium first. Out of the raw opium I will expect to get around 90% back after "cooking" it, even though its usually said that you only get 80% back. I don't find that to be true and get 90% back. Then I divide that by ten to get a idea how much heroin base I will get. So for example I harvest 3,478 grams of raw opium. So I take 3,478(total grams of raw opium) and multiply by 0.9(represents the 90% I expect to recover after being cooked) and get 3,130.2g.
I then take that 3,130.2g of cooked opium and divide by 10(the 10 to 1 ratio I talked about earlier) and get 313.02g of heroin base.

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o
c.o. / 10 = h.b.

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base

Now I can stop there and sell theheroin base, which is your brown powder heroin, or I can go further and turn the brown base into white heroin hydrochloride which will be about half the weight of the base

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o.
c.o. / 10 = h.b.
h.b. / 2 = h.HCl

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base
h.HCl = heroin hydrochloride

The heroin hydrochloride is white crystals and it is extremely pure and sells for ALOT of money.


Canndo you are correct about opium and it being a niche market and in reality I could make the same amount of money with the O and H. I mean if I have 100g of opium and I sell it $20/g that comes to $2,000. If I take that 100g of opium and make it into 10g of heroin and then cut it with an additional 10g of adulterant, making a total 20g of 50%'ish heroin and sell it for $100/g it would give me $2,000. So it's the same money but the difference is that I can move 20g of heroin in a phone call but 100g of opium I'm not sure how long it would take to sell but it would take a while. To be honest though it may take a day or two to move just 20g of H cause my customers normally buy at least 4.5 ounces at a time and wouldn't waste time on just 20g. But my point is that I can sell heroin much quicker than opium. And like I said transportation wise it's a lot easier transporting $11,250(4.5 oz) of 80% pure heroin than $11,250 of opium, which at $20 a gram comes to 562.5g(20.1 oz).
 
canndo

canndo

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2cimdma said:
Yes the 10 to 1 ratio is correct. Of course sometimes you get a little more and sometimes a little less but the 10 to 1 is what I use when estimating how much H I will get from x amount of O. So when harvesting opium I can do a estimate of how much heroin base I will come out with by weighing the raw opium first. Out of the raw opium I will expect to get around 90% back after "cooking" it, even though its usually said that you only get 80% back. I don't find that to be true and get 90% back. Then I divide that by ten to get a idea how much heroin base I will get. So for example I harvest 3,478 grams of raw opium. So I take 3,478(total grams of raw opium) and multiply by 0.9(represents the 90% I expect to recover after being cooked) and get 3,130.2g.
I then take that 3,130.2g of cooked opium and divide by 10(the 10 to 1 ratio I talked about earlier) and get 313.02g of heroin base.

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o
c.o. / 10 = h.b.

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base

Now I can stop there and sell theheroin base, which is your brown powder heroin, or I can go further and turn the brown base into white heroin hydrochloride which will be about half the weight of the base

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o.
c.o. / 10 = h.b.
h.b. / 2 = h.HCl

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base
h.HCl = heroin hydrochloride

The heroin hydrochloride is white crystals and it is extremely pure and sells for ALOT of money.


Canndo you are correct about opium and it being a niche market and in reality I could make the same amount of money with the O and H. I mean if I have 100g of opium and I sell it $20/g that comes to $2,000. If I take that 100g of opium and make it into 10g of heroin and then cut it with an additional 10g of adulterant, making a total 20g of 50%'ish heroin and sell it for $100/g it would give me $2,000. So it's the same money but the difference is that I can move 20g of heroin in a phone call but 100g of opium I'm not sure how long it would take to sell but it would take a while. To be honest though it may take a day or two to move just 20g of H cause my customers normally buy at least 4.5 ounces at a time and wouldn't waste time on just 20g. But my point is that I can sell heroin much quicker than opium. And like I said transportation wise it's a lot easier transporting $11,250(4.5 oz) of 80% pure heroin than $11,250 of opium, which at $20 a gram comes to 562.5g(20.1 oz).
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It is a pity, a grand pity.
 
canndo

canndo

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And the codeine and Thebaine (and some of the more exotics from what I gather) are lost, yes? Of course conversion of these to something more interesting might take more time and money then they are worth? Don't get me wrong, your business seems sound, and we all do what we must when we feel it most expeditious, but it is still a pity. Still, sounds like a lot of work.
 
rory420420

rory420420

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Beware of 'doops' bygonera...its some prayer incense that's black and tar like...has an opium smell and taste..been a staple on tour to get over on custies..its fake..real opium is hard to come by..almost like a quaalude in being able to be obtained..like 2cimdma said,its productive to make it into something that brings more $ and is easier to conceal...2cimdma...I see your press was a winner..glad it worked out for you..be safe man.
 
MrEDuck

MrEDuck

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2cimdma said:
Yes the 10 to 1 ratio is correct. Of course sometimes you get a little more and sometimes a little less but the 10 to 1 is what I use when estimating how much H I will get from x amount of O. So when harvesting opium I can do a estimate of how much heroin base I will come out with by weighing the raw opium first. Out of the raw opium I will expect to get around 90% back after "cooking" it, even though its usually said that you only get 80% back. I don't find that to be true and get 90% back. Then I divide that by ten to get a idea how much heroin base I will get. So for example I harvest 3,478 grams of raw opium. So I take 3,478(total grams of raw opium) and multiply by 0.9(represents the 90% I expect to recover after being cooked) and get 3,130.2g.
I then take that 3,130.2g of cooked opium and divide by 10(the 10 to 1 ratio I talked about earlier) and get 313.02g of heroin base.

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o
c.o. / 10 = h.b.

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base

Now I can stop there and sell theheroin base, which is your brown powder heroin, or I can go further and turn the brown base into white heroin hydrochloride which will be about half the weight of the base

r.o. * 0.9 = c.o.
c.o. / 10 = h.b.
h.b. / 2 = h.HCl

where:
r.o. = raw opium
c.o. = cooked opium
h = heroin base
h.HCl = heroin hydrochloride

The heroin hydrochloride is white crystals and it is extremely pure and sells for ALOT of money.


Canndo you are correct about opium and it being a niche market and in reality I could make the same amount of money with the O and H. I mean if I have 100g of opium and I sell it $20/g that comes to $2,000. If I take that 100g of opium and make it into 10g of heroin and then cut it with an additional 10g of adulterant, making a total 20g of 50%'ish heroin and sell it for $100/g it would give me $2,000. So it's the same money but the difference is that I can move 20g of heroin in a phone call but 100g of opium I'm not sure how long it would take to sell but it would take a while. To be honest though it may take a day or two to move just 20g of H cause my customers normally buy at least 4.5 ounces at a time and wouldn't waste time on just 20g. But my point is that I can sell heroin much quicker than opium. And like I said transportation wise it's a lot easier transporting $11,250(4.5 oz) of 80% pure heroin than $11,250 of opium, which at $20 a gram comes to 562.5g(20.1 oz).
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You're losing weight when salting? You should be gaining about 10% if you got everything back so you should at least be breaking even. How are you salting it out?
 
L

LIBERTYCHICKEN

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Trying to convert O to H is useless unless you have a source for the precurser chemical acedic anhydride (spelled wrong) . Besides the extraction of M from the O is not a simple acid base type extraction . The Codine is a slightly different story it can eazly be converted into a much more powerfull opiate if you are able to isolate it atleast, I forget the name of this chemical but it goes by the name 'croc' in eastern europe

Personaly I love pods as is all the different alck's make a unique high

One of the nice things about pods is different varietys of pods have slightly different effects , and those effects also change with varibles such as harvest time - like MJ

Also the alck thenbaine (spelled wrong) has antiaddiction propertys , It's said that O is actualy less addictive than a compable dose of M



If I had O which I wanted to refine I would try a ion exchange resin . It's cheap eazy to use and very effective
 
rory420420

rory420420

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I'm pretty sure the conversion overhead was allready a thought in the wind if you look at 2cimdmas other posts...
 
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