A tribute to Uncle Ben and the Almighty Leaf

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Dboi87

Dboi87

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Uncle Ben said:
No, it's another myth perpetrated by the organic cultists who don't realize that organics ARE chemicals....or they wouldn't be of any benefit.
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I figured. I think killing the micros might result from fertilizer abuse but I didn't see normal levels nuking my soil
 
Dboi87

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People may get the wrong idea from my avatar but its not a "hood" way of idolizing money but rather my actual admiration of the man ben franklin was. He was a jack of all trades, a rebel, and a man that would seek higher education. At first I just wanted to grow my own shit, then UB perked my interest in regards to botany. Right now I'm at the point that I honestly want to learn botany and horticulture. I never realized how deep it went and how much of a gratifying challenge mastery of such a subject could be. A plant just a couple months ago was just a plant to me. Now I couldn't explain to you the excitement I get looking at these species. Not only marijuana, but all plants. Today I was in my in law's garden and it blew my mind what some of the plants everyday vegetables looked like. Veggies we take for granted as simple as cucumbers and beans.

I apologize for the rant. I've had a couple so what I feel will spill out. I'm the type to get fully engulfed in whatever peaks my interest and I'd have never thought growing plants would be the next thing to entrance me.

I wasn't sure where to post this I just wanted to vent but then I realized that why not pay tribute to the guy that lead me this way in a tribute already dedicated to him...

UB its obvious to anyone that's willing to open their eyes that you're the real deal when it comes to growing in general. I hope to keep learning from you and the others that seem to keep their practices and theories rooted in real world solid and proven agricultural science. (Mini shout out to kite high, foothills, heartland hank, homebrewer and any others not mentioned that fit the bill)

Cheers to you Tio
 
Uncle Ben

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Sativied said:
Yeah that's the one. Forum owned by same person as the local dutch forum (Sannie) where it has been tested some more by a moderator who build a small test setup to measure different materials (excluding direct light from source to meter). It's not that much better than foil, and obviously costs more than foil, but easy to clean and lasts much longer. And with some proper planning it doesn't need to go from top to bottom.

At NASA:


It sounds better in Dutch because it rhymes: "light is weight". So don't waste any of it.
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3 thinned coats of Behr Ultra White latex paint has excellent reflective properties, at least 91%. It's cheap and only takes a few minutes to brush on a fresh coat. I have a home theater with front projector and researched screens and their gain before selecting one. You can also go that rout using a high gain screen material bought by the roll, some having embedded glass beads.

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Uncle Ben

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Dboi87 said:
People may get the wrong idea from my avatar but its not a "hood" way of idolizing money but rather my actual admiration of the man ben franklin was. He was a jack of all trades, a rebel, and a man that would seek higher education. At first I just wanted to grow my own shit, then UB perked my interest in regards to botany. Right now I'm at the point that I honestly want to learn botany and horticulture. I never realized how deep it went and how much of a gratifying challenge mastery of such a subject could be. A plant just a couple months ago was just a plant to me. Now I couldn't explain to you the excitement I get looking at these species. Not only marijuana, but all plants. Today I was in my in law's garden and it blew my mind what some of the plants everyday vegetables looked like. Veggies we take for granted as simple as cucumbers and beans.

I apologize for the rant. I've had a couple so what I feel will spill out. I'm the type to get fully engulfed in whatever peaks my interest and I'd have never thought growing plants would be the next thing to entrance me.

I wasn't sure where to post this I just wanted to vent but then I realized that why not pay tribute to the guy that lead me this way in a tribute already dedicated to him...

UB its obvious to anyone that's willing to open their eyes that you're the real deal when it comes to growing in general. I hope to keep learning from you and the others that seem to keep their practices and theories rooted in real world solid and proven agricultural science. (Mini shout out to kite high, foothills, heartland hank, homebrewer and any others not mentioned that fit the bill)

Cheers to you Tio
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And a big "cheers" back. Yeah, Ben Franklin is one person to be admired. Too bad we don't have statesmen like that any more.

Gardening is fascinating, and addicting. Warning, don't get started with orchids! You just HAVE to have that big beautiful cattleya you saw at Jack's house....or that paph at Sunny's Orchid Nursery, or.... :) After being a slave to my orchids, having to spend every weekend re-potting those that were potbound, I finally sold the entire collection.

I learned my foliage growing drill with orchids. I tried to time the flowering response and concentrated on growing the most amount of foliage going into flowering that I could. That translated over when I got into cannabis. I'd have a phalaenopsis with 12 leaves stacked on top of each other, plant was 18" wide and would throw three 42" long spikes covered in 5" wide gorgeous white "wedding" flowers with about 25 flowers per spike....and the damn thing would bloom like that for 8 months!

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Situation420

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Uncle Ben said:
Sit, my patience is wearing real thin with you and I'm about let you go. I'll try to get thru, once more, and then that's it, I'm done. I have shown you plants that were crammed together such that the "point source" did not reach the lower levels that you seem to be so hung up on.

The way I configure my garden is not a "point source". I use highly reflective side panels that are adjustable such that they are always kept close to the foliage, and that may include panels in the corners that reflect light back into the canopy, tilted upwards. I also paint my floor covering white. Red mulches down tomato rows has been field tested to yield 30% or more.

Look.....research the use of reflecting panels which can increase light, what the plant sees, by 30% or more.

And stop parsing my posts. I said, which you parsed - "600W would probably do it if you configured it right - quality reflecting panels, PLUS, you've got to get everything else right which he obviously has."

You're beginning to remind me of "journalist" shitheads like Diane Sawyer or Chris Matthews.

UB
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Why are you always such a crybaby whenever someone disputes what you say in your posts. The reason I chopped you're quote is because the rest didnt matter. You posted a 4 foot tall plant, his is easily 6-7 ft tall. If the light is a foot above the plant, the light source is going to be 7-8 feet from the lower leaves. What I was saying is that a 600 watt hid lamp does not have the intensity to maintain that lush amount of foliage at that distance. Reflected light is also increasing the distance even further lowering the intensity more as well
 
PJ Diaz

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Situation420 said:
Why are you always such a crybaby whenever someone disputes what you say in your posts. The reason I chopped you're quote is because the rest didnt matter. You posted a 4 foot tall plant, his is easily 6-7 ft tall. If the light is a foot above the plant, the light source is going to be 7-8 feet from the lower leaves. What I was saying is that a 600 watt hid lamp does not have the intensity to maintain that lush amount of foliage at that distance. Reflected light is also increasing the distance even further lowering the intensity more as well
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Seriously. There's no way in hell you are gonna grow a plant like this with a 600w:

 
PJ Diaz

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Uncle Ben said:
600W would probably do it if you configured it right - quality reflecting panels, PLUS, you've got to get everything else right which he obviously has. One of my dalat vietnamese got the entire HID once I harvested its sisters. The light is blinding thanks to the panels. This is a view from the top shooting down into the garden. Dog chains hold up the heavy colas which are still bent over.

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You really think your plant looks anything like the one above it? No comparison. None.

Oh, and what happened to all the leaves in your pic?
 
Dboi87

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Situation420 said:
Why are you always such a crybaby whenever someone disputes what you say in your posts. The reason I chopped you're quote is because the rest didnt matter. You posted a 4 foot tall plant, his is easily 6-7 ft tall. If the light is a foot above the plant, the light source is going to be 7-8 feet from the lower leaves. What I was saying is that a 600 watt hid lamp does not have the intensity to maintain that lush amount of foliage at that distance. Reflected light is also increasing the distance even further lowering the intensity more as well
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I'm no expert, but I have seen guys (that had no clue what they were doing) grow plants with an incandescent bulb waaay far away from the top. The plant wasn't very dense, but they grew, and the few leaves they had were green. Go figure...

My point is it doesn't take intense light for plants to grow. Even just small amounts of reflective light might keep those guys green. I don't know if marijuana works in the same way, but if you look at outdoor bushes, there iis like a shell of leaves while the inside area is bare.
 
Dboi87

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PJ Diaz said:
You really think your plant looks anything like the one above it? No comparison. None.

Oh, and what happened to all the leaves in your pic?
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Did anyone realize he said that this plant in the pic got all the light after he harvested its sisters? That is one hell of a plant. So now take that space and fit in three or even just two more like the one seen in the pic and imagine the density.
 
Uncle Ben

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Situation420 said:
Why are you always such a crybaby whenever someone disputes what you say in your posts. The reason I chopped you're quote is because the rest didnt matter.
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Would someone please explain to this numbnuts how a 32 gal. pot, proper foods and other well thought out culture can and will produce such a fine plant? I could give a shit at this point. He doesn't get it and never will.

Point well taken Doi87.....it doesn't take intense light to grow fine plants. It's the sum of the parts that matters. Logistically, I know of no one that could grow and maintain a plant like that indoors no matter what the lighting was.

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Samwell Seed Well

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actually they don't all eat the same stuff, region climate and time of year will dictate what they eat more than likely in very different places . . . .


and an obvious reason is each animals digestion is different. . . .what does that have to do with the price of tea in china

and understanding digestion specific attributes of animals and their similar diets has no direct link with knowledge in horticulture

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