37 million honey bees found dead in Canada

ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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heckler73 said:
Here is the source of the source of the source article:

http://www.thepost.on.ca/2013/06/19/bees-dying-by-the-millions

They just used an estimation to calculate the numbers.
600 hives were lost on this particular farm.
37E6/6E2 ~6E4 bees per hive ? 60000?
Damn... they can pack a lot of bees into those tiny boxes...

Anyway, the farmer says that as soon as they planted corn nearby, the bees died...
[HR][/HR]Once the corn started to get planted our bees died by the millions,” Schuit said. He and many others, including the European Union, are pointing the finger at a class of insecticides known as neonicotinoids, manufactured by Bayer CropScience Inc. used in planting corn and some other crops. The European Union just recently voted to ban these insecticides for two years, beginning December 1, 2013, to be able to study how it relates to the large bee kill they are experiencing there also.
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What seems to be deadly to bees is that the neonicotinoid pesticides are coating corn seed and with the use of new air seeders, are blowing the pesticide dust into the air when planted. The death of millions of pollinators was looked at by American Purdue University. They found that, “Bees exhibited neurotoxic symptoms, analysis of dead bees revealed traces of thiamethoxam/clothianidin in each case. Seed treatments of field crops (primarily corn) are the only major source of these compounds.
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Purdue study (published Jan 3 2012):
http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/beehive/pdf/multiple routes-PLOS.pdf

There is a registry for apiaries so that nearby farmers can be notified of their presence.
But that only works when all parties participate and respect the guidelines...
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Notice they aren't talking about gmo?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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Neonicitinoids are made by BAYER, thats what seems to be killin the bees,.


why the fuck are you all yellin about Monsanto? they do not make neonicitinoids.

monsanto does not make this shit, so monsanto cannot be blamed for this shit.

but i guess monsanto is behind the "Pole Shift", the coming of "Nibiru and the Annunaki", the failure of the "Harmonic Convergence" to usher in the "Age of Aquarius" and the arrival of Gozur the Gozarian, Gozur the Traveler, Gozur the Destroyer!

 
smokinafatty

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"we would die without bees" ... lmao

We're not going extinct because of bees.

aliens, exploding sun, melting glaciers, atomic bombs, the flu, asteroids, ... and now bees. hahaha
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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smokinafatty said:
"we would die without bees" ... lmao

We're not going extinct because of bees.

aliens, exploding sun, melting glaciers, atomic bombs, the flu, asteroids, ... and now bees. hahaha
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If you understood why bees are important to all life you would understand the debate.
 
smokinafatty

smokinafatty

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ricky1lung said:
If you understood why bees are important to all life you would understand the debate.
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We can grow crops and animals inside warehouses if needed. Lack of bees isn't going to cause us to go hungry.

So, were bees the first living things to evolve, since they're important for all life?

If not, how did anything else evolve? And if so, how did bees evolve if there were no bees to sustain them?

I won't be back to read answers, just saying this is a really humorous thread with no support.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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smokinafatty said:
We can grow crops and animals inside warehouses if needed. Lack of bees isn't going to cause us to go hungry.

So, were bees the first living things to evolve, since they're important for all life?

If not, how did anything else evolve? And if so, how did bees evolve if there were no bees to sustain them?

I won't be back to read answers, just saying this is a really humorous thread with no support.
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Yup because we can grow enough food to feed the planet indoors....
Anyways, I wont explain something as basic as pollination and the importance of pollinators.

I will however offer an article I stumbled upon that argues in favor of neonicotinoids.
http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/2013/09/19/ban-neonicotinoids-not-if-youre-concerned-about-the-facts/

And another that shows the company that represents neo mfgs supporting changes to the products.
http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/2013/09/18/changes-coming-to-insecticide-treatment/
 
heckler73

heckler73

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ricky1lung said:
Yup because we can grow enough food to feed the planet indoors....
Anyways, I wont explain something as basic as pollination and the importance of pollinators.

I will however offer an article I stumbled upon that argues in favor of neonicotinoids.
http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/2013/09/19/ban-neonicotinoids-not-if-youre-concerned-about-the-facts/

And another that shows the company that represents neo mfgs supporting changes to the products.
http://www.manitobacooperator.ca/2013/09/18/changes-coming-to-insecticide-treatment/
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From the 1st link:
[HR][/HR]The real cause of increased bee mortality for some beekeepers in recent years is the arrival of varroa mites, which like malaria-carrying mosquitoes, suck blood (or its insect counterpart) and also inject deadly viruses into the host. Their arrival also means chemical controls must be applied just right. Casual bee management practices, which worked well before varroa arrived, mean excessive bee mortality now.
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First off, I like the way they slip "real cause" then "some" right after. Slick manipulation of phrasing there.

However, the varroa mites; where did they come from?

Next paragraph:
[HR][/HR]Varroa management keeps changing as the mite develops resistance to formerly effective miticides. Part of the problem in Ontario could be a new miticide called Mite Away Quick Strips, derived from toxic formic acid. Widely used in Ontario but not in Western Canada, it is not recommended at higher temperatures. Ontario had many days with higher temperatures in May 2012 when some Ontario beekeepers reported high losses.
[HR][/HR]
So it's not the neonicotinoids, but the mite strips?
For some reason, that causes my brain to freeze its gears. It's not the insecticides, it's the insecticides ! Huh?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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heckler73 said:
From the 1st link:
[HR][/HR]The real cause of increased bee mortality for some beekeepers in recent years is the arrival of varroa mites, which like malaria-carrying mosquitoes, suck blood (or its insect counterpart) and also inject deadly viruses into the host. Their arrival also means chemical controls must be applied just right. Casual bee management practices, which worked well before varroa arrived, mean excessive bee mortality now.
[HR][/HR]
First off, I like the way they slip "real cause" then "some" right after. Slick manipulation of phrasing there.

However, the varroa mites; where did they come from?

Next paragraph:
[HR][/HR]Varroa management keeps changing as the mite develops resistance to formerly effective miticides. Part of the problem in Ontario could be a new miticide called Mite Away Quick Strips, derived from toxic formic acid. Widely used in Ontario but not in Western Canada, it is not recommended at higher temperatures. Ontario had many days with higher temperatures in May 2012 when some Ontario beekeepers reported high losses.
[HR][/HR]
So it's not the neonicotinoids, but the mite strips?
For some reason, that causes my brain to freeze its gears. It's not the insecticides, it's the insecticides ! Huh?
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"toxic formic acid" LD50 of 1.8grams/kg body weight (oral, Mouse)

"Harmless Sodium Fluoride" LD50 57 Milligrams/kg body wight (oral, mouse)

ohh, man, that shit is hilarious.

formic acid isconsidered "TOXIC", but sodium fluoride (waste from fertilizer plant smokestacks), is 31x more toxic (yes, thirty one times more dangerous!) and you're a fruitcake if you dont want that shit in your water.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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heckler73 said:
From the 1st link:
[HR][/HR]The real cause of increased bee mortality for some beekeepers in recent years is the arrival of varroa mites, which like malaria-carrying mosquitoes, suck blood (or its insect counterpart) and also inject deadly viruses into the host. Their arrival also means chemical controls must be applied just right. Casual bee management practices, which worked well before varroa arrived, mean excessive bee mortality now.
[HR][/HR]
First off, I like the way they slip "real cause" then "some" right after. Slick manipulation of phrasing there.

However, the varroa mites; where did they come from?

Next paragraph:
[HR][/HR]Varroa management keeps changing as the mite develops resistance to formerly effective miticides. Part of the problem in Ontario could be a new miticide called Mite Away Quick Strips, derived from toxic formic acid. Widely used in Ontario but not in Western Canada, it is not recommended at higher temperatures. Ontario had many days with higher temperatures in May 2012 when some Ontario beekeepers reported high losses.
[HR][/HR]
So it's not the neonicotinoids, but the mite strips?
For some reason, that causes my brain to freeze its gears. It's not the insecticides, it's the insecticides ! Huh?
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On the mite strips, I will have to confirm exactly but my bee farmer buddy had already
told me months ago that it was either the inspectors or buyers that was telling honey producers
not to use the strips. I will confirm and post back.

The funny thing about the articles is they contradict each other, it also points out what bee farmers and consumers
are up against, a large group of lobby groups with very deep pockets. From the field to wall street there is allot of money
trying to guarantee future profits.
 
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