Calling all gene experts .....gather around

[ALCAN]

Ok, so I have this scenario vis a vis strain genetics and lets see where it goes. I have often wondered how much exactly of parental traits are passed on in hyrid strains. Lets look at this example shall we: A (almost 100% sativa) x B ( almost 100% indica ) .

Now we observe that the resulting pheno displayed is very definitely following in A footsteps. Pheno is very sativa and shares same growth characteristics as A. Would it be now safe to say that since the little one is looking just like A , that taste and potency will be similar to A.

Or, are growth characteristics separate from taste and potency?. That being such that even though the pheno looks sativa there very well be an equal chance that taste and potency could follow B ( the almost pure indica) .

Look forward to hearing what you all think on this situation

 

[urban1026835]

Interesting sure it has been covered but still would like to hear some people with some real breeding experience chime in

 

[HGK420]

It's a total crap shoot. Can look like A and taste like B with the buzz of grandpa A and the smell of grandma B.

Basically just keep planting seeds til you find the one you are happy with.

If you have had a ton of seed planting experience you will see alot of recessive traits keep showing up over and over in every strain. That's your main enemy. The millions of years the plant bread naturally. Lots of traits getting locked in year after year that you gotta dodge

That's the game. Dodge the recessive gene. It's quite amazing really. I've planted over 90 seeds In2013 and 60 or so shared a trait with one of the other, 20 or so sucked terribly in there own unique ways and a handful brought something good to the table.

Only 1 so far brought the full package. Taste yield potency looks denseness.

Only 1 so far that haunts my dreams .

That's some low odds in my book but completely worth the time/effort once you snag yourself a real winner.

Idk hope my rambling helps lol.

 

[racerboy71]

It's a total crap shoot. Can look like A and taste like B with the buzz of grandpa A and the smell of grandma B.

Basically just keep planting seeds til you find the one y

Agreed.. I like to compare plants to people as much often as possible ...
Say your father is short, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.. your mom on the other hand is super tall, and has brown hair and brown eyes..
Their kids could be any combo of both.. you might have the blonde hair and blue eyes from your dad, yet be super tall like mom..
Or your brother might have brown hair and brown eyes like mom, but be super short like dad...

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

the only way to achieve true gene perfection is to cull the bad plants as soon as they become visible. survival of the fittest.

 

[HGK420]

^ check out hitler of cannabis over here!

 

[OGEvilgenius]

I laughed.

As far as the relationship of various characteristics, there are some who suggest plants which grow less physical matter tend to produce more resin. But that's never been studied or proven. They may or may not be related depending on the genotypes is the real answer. I wouldn't bet on anything though and I would assume that there will be no way to know until you have a final product to sample and I wouldn't kill anything either.

No way to know much about any plant unless you self it and/or continually outcross it. I think you can learn a lot by selfing a plant to discover how homogenous the population is and what kinds of traits tend to stand out. You can expect o see some of these things in the offspring in a good cross - but of course it depends on what you're looking for.

 

[ALCAN]

Good posts. It makes perfect sense . Now , I recall reading in a seed website that the mother plant will pass on potency . While the father will give the plant structure and and size. Is this a general rule or just something the seed sellers were peddling as hard fact ? I would think that potency and size could be derived from either parent.

 

[urban1026835]

i am running my first s1 now of casey jones s1 true cannabliss cut so i am hoping to see a good bit of similarity to a well documented cut.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Agreed.. I like to compare plants to people as much often as possible ...
Say your father is short, and has blonde hair and blue eyes.. your mom on the other hand is super tall, and has brown hair and brown eyes..
Their kids could be any combo of both.. you might have the blonde hair and blue eyes from your dad, yet be super tall like mom..
Or your brother might have brown hair and brown eyes like mom, but be super short like dad...

yeah its kinda like dogs you mix 2 breeds and its just amazing the variation you get some cool as hell but none look the same you will see traits of each parent breed and some that are almost equal with the mother and father I even had one that was just so much bigger then both mother and father and looks like an equal combination of both so you do get good out of the variation but your gonna have 1 absolutely amazing out of every 50 or so girls so you'll still want to get a mother and reproduce clones unless you make major selection over at least 4 generations to get a fairly stable line. But people love mix breed dogs everyone is unique even the runts its about the same with companies like tga they just produce polly hybrids but you can get a really nice one not that you'll find two alike. But you mines well chuck your own pollen no sense giving subcool $10 per seed to make a mix breed you could do at home for nothing but time and then you'll have 1,000's to select the most amazing pheno possibly the next og kush.

 

[Pepe le skunk]

The male is an important factor in any breeding program and using a know father that imparts specific traits in a cross by testing it's offspring is the only way to be sure. One thing I have read about early flower females specifically when using landraces is they supposedly tend to be more on the hempy side. If you are specifically going for early flowering plants you would want to use a proven strain that is early. (like c99) With a hybrid the benefit is they show hybrid vigor. Would suggest you consider squaring or bx2 a strain to stabilize it first then cross to a known male or use pollen from a forced female to polinate your bx2 female. This way you can specifically breed for specific traits. Many times it depends on the allies (think that's how you spell it) the strain will pass to it's offspring.
Hope that helps.

 

[mrCRC420]

Good question man... I have heard that the father plant has a higher general influence on the plant than the mother; which seems to make sense in terms of natural aggression, yang overpowers yin. However, this is all just "funjecture"...

 

[HGK420]

The male is an important factor in any breeding program and using a know father that imparts specific traits in a cross by testing it's offspring is the only way to be sure. One thing I have read about early flower females specifically when using landraces is they supposedly tend to be more on the hempy side. If you are specifically going for early flowering plants you would want to use a proven strain that is early. (like c99) With a hybrid the benefit is they show hybrid vigor. Would suggest you consider squaring or bx2 a strain to stabilize it first then cross to a known male or use pollen from a forced female to polinate your bx2 female. This way you can specifically breed for specific traits. Many times it depends on the allies (think that's how you spell it) the strain will pass to it's offspring.
Hope that helps.

^Alleles*
DNA building blocks if I'm not mistaken ?

 

[urban1026835]

These kinds of discussions make me wanna just throw a male into the middle of my flower chamber and start a journey myself. Thinking first i should find all my keepers before wasting time.

 

[heelzballer]

I really enjoy the genetics side of cannabis, particularly in light of the high costs of cannabis seeds, the risk of seizure, and the apparent inconsistent genetics of some, but not all seed companies...The search bar on RIU, is iffy at best, does anyone know any really good threads to look at for getting started with breeding? Until then, this is a good thread on traits to look for with male plants, the idea of self-pollination, hermaphrodited seeds which is what happened with my exodus kush and I'm running some of those seeds now to look for phenotypes...Does the smell coming off a male plant in veg state give any insight into good genetics I have one that seems to smell more than the others right now?

 

[urban1026835]

Really hope some of the guys over at the 600 could chime in over here or dank-n-stew someone who could drop a few gems on us over here.

 

[MrEDuck]

Which parent passes on which traits is totally dependent on the individual genomes of the parent plants. Plant's that have more dominant traits will tend to dominate in crosses. But that could be the mother or the father and there is no way to know without crossing the plant with several others and growing out several of those offspring. Selecting good parent stock takes a lot of work. Once you have a good parent hit every good female you come across with it's pollen.

 

[heelzballer]

Which parent passes on which traits is totally dependent on the individual genomes of the parent plants. Plant's that have more dominant traits will tend to dominate in crosses. But that could be the mother or the father and there is no way to know without crossing the plant with several others and growing out several of those offspring. Selecting good parent stock takes a lot of work. Once you have a good parent hit every good female you come across with it's pollen.

Any keen insight into seeing good potential male traits? darker oily leaves in veg, more dominant smell in veg, shorter plant stature?

 

[MrEDuck]

I've never worked with males and the added difficulty of selecting good fathers has led me to work with only females for breeding. I've read a ton but have only just started getting my feet wet with actual experience.

 

[Lo Budget]

This should get y'all started. It's fairly short, has illustrations, and is based on science. It addresses many of the questions presented here and also give you a peek into what you're in for, if you're serious about it. Seems to me that desirable traits are often recessive. But, I'm not even a seed chucker, let alone a scientist.