Triploids... good or bad?

BygonEra

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My Kannabia Karamelo popped the soil yesterday and she's a triploid. I've done some reading and all I can really find is that it's rare and causes weird growth patterns from the extra chromosome... but is that a good thing? Because it kind of seems like a bad thing.

Regardless, it's pretty cool :D

triploidcaremelo.jpg

So what's the verdict? Should I take clones? What will the yield be like compared to a normal plant?
 

bass1014

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i just had an iced grapefruit do the same and it is a cool looking plant.. i am going with god on this one.. looks like it going to give me a natural 3 top cola.. so yes i am going to keep on the keeping on.. they say there common but ive only had one seed do it to me.. i'll shoot some pics of her later and post them.
 

Crankyxr

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I've seen a lot of these popping up in the threads lately..
Seems like polyploids, when topped, lose their odd structure and revert to regular growth
 

Dogenzengi

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I am running a bag seed Trifoliate.
triploid is three chromosomes I think, your plant will have three branches per node.
Top it and it will produce a third more because of the extra branch.
They seem pretty common, since I got on the board in July I have seen a half dozen people say they have one.
Its a normal plant with a slight genetic mutation.
If I get a chance to clone mine I expect the trait to continue!
 

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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I would say its a desirable trait, see how it grows, clone it just in case its the best producer/smoke ever

Not a bad thing at all!
 

qwizoking

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The bud produced will be denser and yields higher... also more prone to mold

They seem common.. but only in bought seed bank polyploid messed up genetics(not that that's bad:) )
I've yet to see one out of a couple thousand central/south American genetics and sat doms
 

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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[h=1]Whorled Phyllotaxy[/h]
Wikipedia; "In botany, phyllotaxis or phyllotaxy is the arrangement of leaves on a plant stem. The basic phyllotactic patterns are opposite, or alternate = spiral. Leaves may also be whorled if several leaves arise, or appear to arise, from the same level on a stem. This arrangement is fairly unusual on plants except for those with particularly short internodes. With an opposite leaf arrangement, two leaves arise from the stem at the same level (at the same node), on opposite sides of the stem. An opposite leaf pair can be thought of as a whorl of two leaves. With an alternate (spiral) pattern, each leaf arises at a different point (node) on the stem."


Marijuana as we all know starts off life with opposite phyllotaxy, the leaves are arranged equally on opposite sides of the stem. As it matures however that pattern changes to alternate phyllotaxy and the leaves become staggered, still on opposite sides along the stem.

 

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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Those are the two common leaf arrangements in MJ, now here's where things get messy...Whorled Phyllotaxy (as I understand it) is basically any arrangement of leaves that doesn't follow either opposite or alternate patterns. This is where the facts turn into theories however as there seems to be a shortage of definite answers with regards to the effects of whorled phyllotaxy on Marijuana, or for that matter what causes it.
From my experience I've found that whorled phyllotaxy seems like a genetic defect, mutation if you will, that either causes or is a symptom of certain stresses. From my understanding the vast majority of MJ plants affected will not be female, as has been the case with the two whorled plants I've grown myself. Whether certain factors play into the development of this condition, or it's strictly genetic I couldn't say but I ended up with two whorled plants at the same time out of seven plants from the same group of seeds. If I had to say one way or the other I would lean toward genetics playing a big role, maybe even being the sole contributor.
To be fair however I should mention that I have heard a theory that claims that whorled phyllotaxy actually becomes more common with LST, or rather the twisting of a stem. I guess the thought it that as the stem twists the soft fibres inside can get broken, crossed, or otherwise unarranged. I can't add much to this theory as I have limited experience (and reference material) but I will say that the two whorled plants I've grown were both LSTd, and that when you look at the stem in the pics it does look awfully twisted.
 

BygonEra

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Hmm.. this is all super interesting info!! They're a lot more common/normal than I thought. So most of these plants are male? This seed is feminized so I hope I don't end up with a male lol.
 

iNUPE

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you get 2-3 main colas.. its always good

i got a triploid once... but it was when i first started growing using greenhouse gear and cfls..... wasted opportunity
 

BygonEra

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Does anyone have any pics of their "triploid"/whatever the real name is plants?? I would love to see some that have flowered since I've heard they sort of grow double buds... and they seem to be relatively common!
 

tekdc911

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It's called polyploidy

http://billybudd.zappersoftware.com/polyploidy.html

I found this today while looking for info on triploids or what the fuk ever there called.
I have a sweet seeds red poison seedling with 3 per node. I'm trying to see if it's worth reversing or not. What do you think?
a self might work but ive heard that they wont or cant breed with a normal strain due to a genetic flaw ....... maybe just internet rumor's ...... i have one that went triploid then topped itself twice that im going to try and cross with one of my male's and see what pans out
 
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