Flaming Pie
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I particularily like this part.
So those closet racists can still hang out in closets together.
Conservatives hate your constitution
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ginwilly
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I believe discrimination to be wrong. I believe a law that states you can't discriminate for these reasons (leaving millions of other reasons for discriminating as hunky-dory) as harmful. I also don't feel it's necessary because any attempt to discriminate based on the reasons given would cause protests and boycotts of said business. It's outlived it's usefulness.
If a food service owner hated me because of race, religion or whatever, I'd rather know up front and not patronize that business. Title II hides the fact people are serving me against their will. I'm not for that.
Besides, do you think we need it? I don't see our country being this way.
The fun with AC is he's uber liberal big government guy who claims to be an anarchist. I wanted to see how he rectifies anarchy with title II but he refuses to try.
ginwilly
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Exactly. Which proves the point that if title II was needed, we'd be over run with private, racist clubs. Augusta National is the only one I can think of .
A small example of what I mean is, earlier this year there was an odd group of white supremists that formed a "like-minded" club as Buck puts it. They were ridiculed and shamed and mocked and are no longer around and the club no longer exists. We did not need RIU to decree those groups to be illegal.
Flaming Pie
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Serving you against their will? That is all you are worried about?
If they don't want to serve black/asian/arab/mexican people, they can cook at home. They want to make money nowadays, even if they are racist they will still let you pay them.
If they don't want to serve black/asian/arab/mexican people, they can cook at home. They want to make money nowadays, even if they are racist they will still let you pay them.
Flaming Pie
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I'm sure there were plenty of racist clubs. KKK being one of many white clubs. Black Panthers being a black club.
There the was the rainbow club, but they were more sexist than anything.
ginwilly
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And I'm sure many of them still exist. I'm not for these groups, but I'm for their right to exist based on our constitution.
abandonconflict
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How do you rectify your so called love of individual liberty with your hatred of civil rights and preference of segregation?
Call me "big gov't, nanny state" and whatever else all day, but the fact is that you are not an anarchist, you're a racist and the gov't always protects the ruling class.
UncleBuck
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here you argue that title II is bad because people will get their food adulterated with racist spit.
then here you argue that the spitting in the food is a bad thing, not title II.
congratulations, you just refuted your own damn argument.
ginwilly
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Yes, and I believe it should be his choice. I would rather people wore their racism on their sleeves so we can mock and shame them and not patronize them. If a restaurant only served people of my own color I wouldn't go there because I disagree with that and don't want to give racists money.
I'd hate to know I've spent any significant amount of money bettering a racists life. I'd rather be able to identify and avoid them.
I also believe in civil rights AND an individuals right to be racist, I just don't want to bankroll those racists.
ginwilly
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Why do we need title II?
UncleBuck
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are you now trying to deny that you joined the white supremacy group?
either deny unequivocally that you joined a white supremacy group or just tell people that you accepted the invitation of a white supremacist to join a white supremacy group but never posted in the white supremacy group.
why are you suddenly embarrassed about the fact that you joined a white supremacy group about 6 months ago?
ginwilly
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Why do we need title II Uncle Bigot?
UncleBuck
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i like how he used the prospect of spitting in customers food as a reason why civil rights is bad.
when i asked him if he caught a racist spitting in food what he'd do, he suddenly changed his tune.
once the concrete reality of it was put to him, he realized how racist his sentiment was.
suppose you catch someone spitting in your customer's food, are you going to fire the cook doing the spitting, or are you gonna go out and blame civil rights?
too funny.
abandonconflict
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but David Duke should be allowed to refuse service to blacks...
UncleBuck
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yes, he should.
and civil rights do not prevent him from doing just that.
stop trying to frame this as your own personal persecution issue when it is not.
ginwilly
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why do we need title II?
abandonconflict
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So you support racial discrimination, because freedom. Got it.
UncleBuck
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i love how you compare al sharpton to the former grand wizard of the KKK with such ease, as if there were some moral equivalence there.
not telling at all.
before title II, the practices of racist business owners did infringe on the rights of others and cause harm. they did not get magically run out of town like you seem to imagine. they stayed open just fine.
this book stopped being published after civil rights was passed.
UncleBuck
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Perfect example of racism is below not above.
desert dude and ginwilly support the right of business owners to proudly hang that sign.