If government provides "services" that are so good, why do they have to use force ?

desert dude

desert dude

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abandonconflict said:
I'm not confusing debt and deficit. If Social Security does not add to the deficit it can't possibly add to the debt. The paper that you quoted is therefore incorrect.

Here is a video that explains it better.

[video=youtube;LcvLHHMC4iI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcvLHHMC4iI[/video]

The entire debt can be eliminated by increasing taxes on the rich, cutting "defense" and making sure there are no more recessions.
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Dude, that has already been done. Al Gore ended the business cycle shortly after he invented the internet.
 
BrewsNBuds

BrewsNBuds

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abandonconflict said:
No, 60% of the debt is not from any of those things. Social security does not add to the deficit at all.
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Sorry, I thought you didn't know there was a difference. I just assumed wrong because you used deficit then debt talking about the same thing.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43648-SocialSecurity.pdf

You can see from this report that Social Security is adding to the debt. I showed you the percentage of spending in 2012. If you don't believe it then just say you trust the President and leave it at that.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you so well, due to the echo. It does appear that there are alot of empty seats here and the usual suspects have fled to safer places where the mirror does not reflect their dissonance. Thanks for the support.
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sorry sometimes I can't just sit on the internet and play all day. I do enjoy spending time with the wife,kids and life
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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BrewsNBuds said:
Sorry, I thought you didn't know there was a difference. I just assumed wrong because you used deficit then debt talking about the same thing.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43648-SocialSecurity.pdf

You can see from this report that Social Security is adding to the debt. I showed you the percentage of spending in 2012. If you don't believe it then just say you trust the President and leave it at that.
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No. I don't trust the president. I did at one time believe that he would end cannabis prohibition but that is more because I misjudged the political viability of it. It never had anything to do with me trusting the president, and I never did.

What I am saying is that Social Security does not contribute to the deficit, it never did. This is a verifiable fact. Therefore, it is not possible that any portion of the debt is attributable to Social Security.

The fact is, the debt came from war.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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I get a kick out of the logic that argues for central planning using roads, streetlights and cops as excuses for excessive federal spendng.

Oh you mean those things we pay for on a local level justifies more federal spending? Cool story. Or did you mean the federal highway system that most people never travel on that was paid for in the name of national defense to move tanks more easily? Yeah, you guys LOVE defense spending.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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londonfog said:
sorry sometimes I can't just sit on the internet and play all day. I do enjoy spending time with the wife,kids and life
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It's good you like family life. I appreciate my family too.

You never answered the original questions posted by me in the beginning of this thread though. So how about it, if government programs are so good why must they use force to get people to "enroll" or participate? Isn't the use of force against otherwise peaceful people the same tactic rapists, nazi and mafia use?

I don't think it will take you all day to answer the questions will it?
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
No. You made a nonsensical reply that shifts the subject. You do that alot when the subject matter is beyond your ability to comprehend or rebut.

If you are so worried about free loaders wouldn't you want all services to be presented as options to individuals ? Those that valued a given service, would select from any number of providers and engage in commerce. Then perhaps at the point of sale the willing exchange could take place?

Do you not have similar mechanism for exchange with customers you may have dealt with in the past or do you use force to make them buy your goods, even if they don't want them or use them?
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Just name one successful society that exists that is modeled on your ideas

Just one
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
Just name one successful society that exists that is modeled on your ideas

Just one
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Define "successful" please.

I would consider a successful society one in which interactions are based on a mutual and consensual basis. How would you define it ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
in the unemployment numbers.

but they are certainly counted in the labor force participation or non-participation numbers, you bumbling dimwit.
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Only a bumbling dimwit would believe fabricated and manipulated government stats. Gullible much? Oh look, I found a quarter under my pillow, thank you tooth fairy!
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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abandonconflict said:
No, 60% of the debt is not from any of those things. Social security does not add to the deficit at all.
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the Debt comes directly from spending more than you take in which is the Deficit. social security is not yet adding to the Debt, nor is it currently adding to the Deficit.


BUT...

since the "trust fund" no longer exists (if it ever did), in a very short time, the SS tax will no longer take in more than SS sends out, then it will be adding to the Deficit, which is the primary constituent of the Debt.

you can have Debt without a Deficit, simply by being foolish or having an unexpected expense, but you cannot have a Deficit without either incurring Debt or selling off assets (which eliminates the Deficit...)

conflating these two terms is either a grievous error, or a deliberate attempt to use Chompskyism to alter the language.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
social security is not yet adding to the Debt, nor is it currently adding to the Deficit.
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on behalf of abandon and all other sane, rational people who laugh at brewsnbuds and his theories about "NWO banksters", thank you for setting him straight.
 
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