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[HGK420]

phenotype question time!

ok so i have noticed in all my seed popping a lot of the worst phenotypes are very unhealthy plants. some of the time a seed just kinda struggles and fades early or is just all around picky, this will result in a decent plant come finish time but its usually some lemon grossness or just all around bunk.

now heres my question, is this cause i didn't grow this plant to its potential? or is it just expressing weak genetics all around?

i kinda feel i know the answer to this because I've found amazing phenos in unhealthy plants before when i had a broad mite infestation. unhealthy plants came still be amazing if the genetics are right.

any input is gladly welcome

 

[TonightYou]

What's your process for poppin ceeds?

 

[budbro18]

If your seedlings totally die before theyre a few weeks old than its probably something youre doing. If they continue to grow and finish but arent anything amazing, it is probably something youre doing as well. Ive grown strains claimed to be the kill when i was startin growin and they were ok all around, but now i can take anything and make it the best it can be. Simplified my set up so i could focus more on the plants and not mixin nutes or worrying about temps being out of control.

Some strains have alot of phenos to them and that can mess things up. Ones a heavy feeder, ones a light feeder. You gotta pick one to fuck up cause its time consuming making individual nutes for each strain. Its annoying but thats why i like runnin clones. Run a dozen seeds, find a keeper, and clone her non stop.

 

[kgp]

I think when popping seeds, especially new strains getting them dialed in can take a whole grow . Mostly with multi strain grows. I have a tendency to over feed, light feeding or picky plant's. I kind of push them hard even with organics. Finding that sweet spot for could result in not being able to tell the full potential.

I also think that vigorous growth right out the shell is a great quality to look for. Also how fast she roots and sensitivity to light and food. But like you said, genetics shine thru.

Its easier to make a good strain great, than make a bad strain good. IMO

 

[TonightYou]

Here is my method, which has about a 95% rate of survival.
1.) ceeds get a 24 hr soak in a shot glass or remove earlier when cracked open.
2.) Place ceed in soaked rockwool cubes, place in humidity dome (some cheap ceed starter kit from HD)
3.) let ceed do its thing, I don't put it into a solo cut until i see the tap root through the bottom.
4.) Once transplanted into cups, give a good water and let it do its thing. I do not water again until the soil is dried out, like really dry. I find under watering is pretty good at getting the seedling to go stretch those roots out.

 

[kgp]

I don't think HGK has a problem cracking beans. I think he might be borderline professional. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think when he was more or less speaking of vigor. Although being wrong is something I'm pretty good at too.

 

[TonightYou]

Yea He's a cool dude and I meant no disrespect. just listing my process is all since he mentioned weaklings, it starts at the ceed.

edited to add, I'm pretty fuckin wired right now and may have read his comment incorrectly.

 

[HGK420]

well your not totally off tonight, I've been working on making sure their is as little stress to the plant at least until its a true plant in a solo cup with 4 good nodes or so. if they get whacked or anything happens early it will definitely effect the end product.

a lot of phenos dont show weakness until week 2 bloom really. thats when i can usually tell when I'm gonna have an issue. 9/10 the plant I'm having the issues with throughout flower will turn out bad.

for instance i have a bruce banner right now that i would of told you was a boy... 4 bruce banners popped with 3/4 making nice squat bushes and 1 TALL lenky crazy fucker. like 4x the hight of the rest... went in to flower a full 3 weeks before the others and is still twice as tall....

well this plant smelled like some straight up gasoline in veg. smelled so good it made the hair on the back of my neck tingle. well about week 3 after she stretched and showed me that LEMON RIND was 90% of the terp profile she started fading FAST. she's now about week 6 and is yellower then hell.. the buds are coming in alright but its gonna be very tangerine dream whispy lemon shit.

out of the other 3 one has a very similar terp profile and is very healthy (Kind of a clue to my original quandary) one of them is very very appealing with some nice gasoline skunky funkness in a way i haven't had yet. and the last one hasn't shown her stripes yet really.

now to my original issue, would the tall plant of retained more gasoline terps or skunk terps had i nailed her needs? did my environment bring out the lemon rind? as i type this i think about all the lemon rind bull shit weed nubs grow too... I've taken my HGK clone and seen some of the most amazing things done to it in other rooms and it tasted much better then when i grow it. the buds made spikes instead of tight golf balls. totally different looking plant. super low yielding but just amazing smoke.

environment has to play a part in the terp expression but i just wonder how much?

 

[HGK420]

If your seedlings totally die before theyre a few weeks old than its probably something youre doing. If they continue to grow and finish but arent anything amazing, it is probably something youre doing as well. Ive grown strains claimed to be the kill when i was startin growin and they were ok all around, but now i can take anything and make it the best it can be. Simplified my set up so i could focus more on the plants and not mixin nutes or worrying about temps being out of control.

Some strains have alot of phenos to them and that can mess things up. Ones a heavy feeder, ones a light feeder. You gotta pick one to fuck up cause its time consuming making individual nutes for each strain. Its annoying but thats why i like runnin clones. Run a dozen seeds, find a keeper, and clone her non stop.

thats my goal budbro is find the winners. I've been running piles of seedlings lately and found a couple methods that work well for an all around mix. heavy ones need very little more and light ones burn very little. its obviously not fool proof but its usually enough for me to spot a winner.

im limiting myself to 20 seedlings a run now tho... lol to many losing phenos out there. i recently ran 20 and got 5 plants that make me smile and 15 that made me cry.... terrible odds... buncha spanish bull shit!

tables and clones for the bulk from now on seedlings in the experiment lab only!

 

[HGK420]

I don't think HGK has a problem cracking beans. I think he might be borderline professional. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think when he was more or less speaking of vigor. Although being wrong is something I'm pretty good at too.

professional seed buyer maybe lol.... my bank loves me! probably made $2000 on overdraft fees!

 

[TonightYou]

I know its a stupid question, but what are your temp ranges and have you checked your medium ph? I'm not one to go checking the medium, but I know you know how to grow (tips hat), so I'm thinking something subtle must be off.

I just find personally when I take a more ignore/"neglect" my ceedlings until the have about 4 nodes, they survive pretty well. I really water only, and I mean only when they need it. After that, I just pay attention to them. I'm water some seedlings and clones pretty much every 4 days in solo cups under a t5

 

[HGK420]

I've only lost one plant before flower and that was an HSO bubba that just didn't wanna cooperate.

getting them to a nice beautiful veg plant seems to be easy. I'm sure everyone here who's popped a lot of seeds will attest that 99% of them look great going into the flower room and only 50% look good coming out. another 5% of that 50% are good burning.

most of the plants that went through my room this last go came out beautiful. the ones that didn't hit the wall hard. i had 3 outa 40 not make it past week 3 flower. my choice to cut early but the damage to the leaves was way to high. another 4 squeak by. now id just right it off to strain or whatever but i have others of the same strains flourishing.

HSO EmDog was an all around bummer. i had one that yielded a PILE of some alright stinky funky bud but it really wasn't great. the other 2 weren't even hashable! one went down at 3 weeks.

I'm definitely not a very graceful grower. i like to push my ladies to the finish line. most of the time drag them kicking and screaming. thats why when i find one thats running out in front of me like HAHAHA IM AWESOME i know i got one thats gonna be a winner. Im kinda a good herm tester too. if its gonna throw nanners from some kind of stress I'm gonna get em to throw em. then when i dial the stress back to 0 on the tables they are happy and nanner free... even if i leave a door open or something... basically sensitive is a trait that gets whacked early in my room.

 

[HGK420]

back to the original question tho too... a couple of the ones that didn't make it smelled pretty fuckin awesome as they sank so that takes away from this theory a bit but would any of the not so awesome plants express something more awesome with someone else's touch? or is the flavor pretty well locked in? is their much wiggle room in the terp profile? any at all?

 

[budbro18]

Ive noticed the terp profile just goes up or down. doesnt really change. But turning it up enough can bring out flavors that werent so noticeable the first few times, changing it a little

 

[TonightYou]

What nutes you running? How much?

I'm not one to push, as I generally fly too close to the sun.

I take a more gradual approach and let the plants guide me... I do try to figure out the max I can take a plant, but I do it gradually, and try to avoid salt build-ups, which I think caused sone ugliness to occur on a few spots of my BBH gal (she had a few leaves go really ugly at the top, but she was still craving nitrogen).

 

[TonightYou]

Well I have to ask, how are your bodhi gals? Having problems with any of them?

 

[HGK420]

only had the silver mountains and nope. i pushed the one for 13 weeks without issue. probably 90% of fan leaves still intact. one of the early ones was a little iffy but they were all around pretty healthy. all losing phenos IMO but pretty healthy.

 

[TonightYou]

What made them losing phenos in your opinIon?

ETA 90% is pretty damn good.

 

[greenghost420]

i agree with everyone one here, you put out some dank. at least in your pics lol iv been reading looking for details on your grow, where they at? if you run the hgk and get spears but someone runs that same and gets golfballs, something needs twerking. when your buddy/ies ran the hgk and came back with golfballs, how was flavor profile compared to your hgk?

 

[TonightYou]

I've had the pleasure of smoking his dank (god I hate that fuckin word ). He certainly has some skills.

I feel like this is a mystery that must be solved!