ILLISTOFSUPERCHRON

i'm not too sure who is in north bay. i go up to san fran quite often but not as high as north bay

Sure, Do you have any Hydroponic stores near you? check your phone book. They usually carry theses things(at least the ones around here do) or they can at least order one for you. Otherwise try calling a company off the internet. They may let you make some other type of payments, such as a money order or cash if you are worried about that.

hey thanks for all the help do you know of any possible places where u could actually grow basicly a grow house except not online because im not using a credit card?