Hey dud007 ,,,,, I have been using LEDs for my mothers now for over a year.... I spent alot of $ on 3 pro bar LED lights from solar oasis.,they are kind of shit for the money I spent,as they need to be used with cfl or hps/mh to be fully effective... but I would wait another 3 years or so before spending any more $ ((for stand alone lights))....... but if you want to look at promising,cheaper leds then you can cut out the middle man and buy direct from China.....thats where they make them all anyhows..... there is a thread that got shut down but you could prob still find it,,it was very informative ((mostly)) ...check out Ledgirls thread,,she is selling Leds with the angles of the individual bulbs set at 60 and 90 degrees instead of the usual 130 and you can hang them closer with "better" results...... I hope this made sense to you...... :^)