...yeah, same. I've been playing with these programs for around 20 years now. I'm old school cut and paste, ect. Everything starts on paper (ish). The wax paste-up days were awesome.
I'm adding a wall of whiteboard to my studio. Like, the whole thing
*the cool thing about InDesign is that you can produce an imposed pdf for press. Page Signatures, Creep, the whole bit. Most people nowadays don't want to pay someone 50-100 bucks an hour to do paste up