at 50 Watt the vero29 has a temp-lift of 0.08x50= 4°C
the 1212 at the same watts has temp-lift of 0.34x50=17°C
the Cree cobs stay in the same range as the vero and nichia is like citizen on
thermal resistance
they maybe cheap but you have to pay for better heatsink to get the same junction...