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No, I don't think we are out of it in reality, in how we measure things? Of course we are, it's BOOMING up in here. If we go by UE numbers we are given then the economy is awesome, if we go by the amount of people not working, we are in trouble. If we go by the stock market we are rockin and...

What part is revised?

It took 20 years to recover, longer than any other period in history, that's why we call it what we do. FDR was such a dictator congress made a special "you can't be president anymore" law. He stacked the courts and tried to change the rules circumventing the constitution, he locked up American...

Whoever the establishment gets behind will have the big money. Right now it's Bush and it shouldn't take much longer to realize they've backed the wrong horse (hopefully). Where does the money move to? I honestly don't know. I'm sure the strategists are trying to figure out who can beat Hillary...

To be fair I feel the same way about Trump and Carson though. I just don't see the GOP letting anyone but the establishment win. I have been saying Bush for about a year now, but he's been so bad I don't think he's even relevant right now. I'm guessing Rubio or Cruz as the establishment guy...

lol at pro-tip That's an amateur "he didn't build that" tip. That was absolutely quid quo pro, sorry that's so hard on your senses. Musk played that perfectly and bet the right horse. Good for him. If the government gave 5Billlion to keep Trump plaza afloat, would you argue it wasn't a...

Btw, awesome thread here. Carson is going to ramp up the war on drugs when president, but Obama can't do anything about it while president or he would have. Make up our minds!

I know where the disconnect is, you must be one of those "he didn't build it!" people. Elon Musk really did build Tesla Motors. Elon Musk made a nice donation to a campaign, that person won, quid pro quo, his company is handed billions. Are you defending the cronyism? Do we like corporate...

Because giving tax breaks to Berkshire-Hathaway is totally different than tax breaks for Warren Buffet. Let's not overlook that you are arguing that a subsidy (from other people's money) is actually a more altruistic act than someone keeping a little more of their own money. That says a great...

Well you see, one case is letting someone keep more of what they owe, the other instance is giving money taken from tax payers. The rich welfare recipient is better in the mind of other welfare recipients I guess. Rich campaign donor gets 5Billion donated back to his company. This is all good...

Elon Musk is majority owner, that's how it works. Buffet didn't get tax breaks, Berkshire-Hathaway did. Is that what you are trying to tell the folks here? Have a good one AC, back and forth with you gets pretty senseless so if you need the last word on it, it's all yours. You'll convince the...

No it's totally different. We like THIS rich asshole.

This thread took way too long to Trayvon. RIU is slipping.

Subsidies to campaign donors is cronyism when it's done no matter if we like them or not. When you guys start picking and choosing which campaign donors we are cool with getting billions, the next guy elected does the same thing with people you don't like. See the pattern? I can imagine me...

And that's how we justify subsidies for our friends while still bitching about those people we don't like getting them.

Your religion is showing again. Elon Musk has been given almost 5 Billion, yes billion in subsidies. That's money taken right out of your pocket Pad. I thought we hated subsidies for rich people. Or is it just the rich people you don't approve of...

Personally I would have just dragged the desk with her still in it out into the hall and shut the door. Game over. That video would have been posted too, and we'd still claim it was somehow racist, but it's definitely a better choice.

Heard a good anecdotal story along those lines. If I were to pour water over the heads of 10 people I may get 10 different reactions ranging from "you made me mad", "you made me sad" you made me angry", "you made me vengeful", "you made me depressed", when in truth, all I did was make them wet...

lol I clicked on it. It's a piece about a chef who says deporting illegals would kill the restaurant business. I'm not so sure that's a great argument against "thay takin err jerbs" people. Some chef doesn't like Trump and somebody wrote an article about it. I'm not sure what it proves other...