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Yes they are which is why I didnt think I need them but just have read from a few threads ppl saying they will not run qbs w/o optics and then read only needed in a open space and not in tents....but have seen running optics with multiple lights gives even more even canopy well that's with with...

I never even thought of something like that now it would be on qbs not cobs but I'm sure it's highly possible..yeah I dont think i really need them with having 640w per plant and in a tent with scrog so I think the money can be spent in better places than something that may or may not help or if...

Alright thanks yeah ive seen someone using them but they are doing a vert scrog grow and lights are vert of course but thanks for your reply I would like to speak with someone who has them and tested them vs with and without them on being worth it in a tent as well which I'm leaning towards no...

So I have x2 320xl per plant mixed spec 2700 and 3000k with the 324 nichias.. in a tent with scrog so would it be worth the extra money on buying optics with being in a tent and since I do have 650w+ per plant so not sure if they would be worth the money since I have x2 per plant thanks for any...

Would you recommend getting optics on 320w xl 324 mixed specs x2 per plant 8 total in a tent scrog as well thankyou for your time

Where in co do you live if you dont mind me asking as I live in the springs..do you know of a good local breeder or breeders that you could give me by chance thanks bro