12 days since water, is this normal?

TheLemon

TheLemon

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Hi all...

So after slight overwater when they were little I started to water based on soil moisture, just realised though, that my big plant has just gone 12 whole days without a water and I didn't even notice, my little plant is currently on day 7 without water, seems to be no ill affects at all, but I am slightly worried.

They're both very healthy at the moment with no major issues, but I am wondering if this will have a negative impact moving forward.

1 300w red spec CFL, feed every other water with biobizz & calmag every water, ph currently 6.0.
Both currently on day 16 of flower.

Unable to upload up to date pics as they're asleep, but if you need pics then i have a few before flower or I could wait until tomorrow.
 
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Miriaclefro

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I'm currently using soil as well, And I think running dry especially on the top half might be the way to go in order dry out mildew and molds, I think your plant should be fine as long as you remember how moist your soil stays in between watering and remember it will change as the plant changes but you are on flowering so you seem have done alright, I'm still figuring out a system and with soil seems to be the difficult way to go but convenient if done right.
 
TheLemon

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Joe Blows Trees said:
What soil are you using? How's the drainage? As long as they look healthy, they should be fine in the long run.
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Standard store bought soil with starter nutes (didnt add my biobizz until week 4 or 5 i think) mixed with 30% perlite. Drainage is just fine, the perlite and normal pots take care of that, im getting about 20% runoff every water.

Miriaclefro said:
I'm currently using soil as well, And I think running dry especially on the top half might be the way to go in order dry out mildew and molds, I think your plant should be fine as long as you remember how moist your soil stays in between watering and remember it will change as the plant changes but you are on flowering so you seem have done alright, I'm still figuring out a system and with soil seems to be the difficult way to go but convenient if done right.
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At first I was doing the 2 inch finger test, but I have just bought a moisture meter which is helping much more, thanks though. I thought as they got bigger they'd need more water more often, but it seems to be the other way around, when they were little I was watering more, maybe smaller pots drying quicker, i dunno. I chose soil because I had assumed it would be easier than any other medium, I just thought all the other stuff was for pros with 20+ plants lol.
 
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Miriaclefro

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Yea it makes sense to me that soil could be all over the board its just a medium of variation! its possible to me your plant is adjusting to new conditions so its not taking in as much water/food but unless you actually see something that sets off alarms you could still have a "boom" moment!. but yes with soil I found it can not handle drastic changes especially when it came down to feeding you have different materials that all have different rates of absorption not as good to wash out like say coco, I think the coco allows for some heavy feeding and consistent drainage. I don't know why I picked soil hmm.. because there is a good possibility of figuring out the "organic" simple method of no constant feeding something that holds it together the key to soil might be figuring the balance between nutrient washout or constant long term feeding... uhh its hard man.. haha yea I need a nice pic method as well!
 
TheLemon

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Miriaclefro said:
Yea it makes sense to me that soil could be all over the board its just a medium of variation! its possible to me your plant is adjusting to new conditions so its not taking in as much water/food but unless you actually see something that sets off alarms you could still have a "boom" moment!. but yes with soil I found it can not handle drastic changes especially when it came down to feeding you have different materials that all have different rates of absorption not as good to wash out like say coco, I think the coco allows for some heavy feeding and consistent drainage. I don't know why I picked soil hmm.. because there is a good possibility of figuring out the "organic" simple method of no constant feeding something that holds it together the key to soil might be figuring the balance between nutrient washout or constant long term feeding... uhh its hard man.. haha yea I need a nice pic method as well!
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Its strange, I cannot remember why I picked soil either, there was some reason behind it, I'm glad I did though, cause those starter nutes make my seedlings look super healthy, I've just started my second set (before finishing my first grow lol) and they've all popped lovely and green and will continue to thrive just like my first ones. I know why I didn't chose coco tho, I had saw it attracts more pests than soil or others.

what you mean by "nice pic method" lol....
 
Cl@rksville

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A single red spectrum 300w CFL won't be revving them up to feed like pigs anyway, they just take what the environment demands or allows I suppose... I had four clone blue flows in soil which had like 5 waterings all together in flower under a CFL. They were delightful just small and a bit on the lean side. I'd love to see a few snaps of it if you can post some chap?
 
420PyRoS

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I'm having a similar issue. Although I'm pretty sure I know what it is. My soil has coconut fibers mixed apparently to help with water retention. Somehow I didn't catch that, and my watering is horribly few and far between. It has a good mix of perlite/drainage and nutes, which kinda made me use it in the first place. The little watering caused Zinc deficiencies with mine big time, twice. Luckily I caught it quickly with online pictures of mottling leaves and discoloration that matched up. I had to flush during those periods with tap water. After fixing all that, she's growing like a beast even though you'd get a chuckle at my PH levels. I know I do everytime I read them.
 
TheLemon

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Ha no way, 5 waterings total!!! That puts my mind at ease. What was your yield on those small ones? Been researching small plants due to my white widdow being the runt of the 2 and someone said I would get only 7 grams, but I'm not convinced. And yeah no probs, let me know some yield predictions, cause I'm pretty sure I can get much more than 7 grams outa my small WW, theres like 30 bud sites. My big one is a fruit spirit, both from RQS...

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@420PyRoS What's your PH, mines currently 6.0. My soil has some fiber in there too but im not sure what it is, ive had a few deficiencies on both, but that was my bad going light on the N. Have found a small copper spot recently tho. Worried about my flushes to come, did you ph your flush water or just ph the final jug?
 
Cl@rksville

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TheLemon said:
Ha no way, 5 waterings total!!! That puts my mind at ease. What was your yield on those small ones? Been researching small plants due to my white widdow being the runt of the 2 and someone said I would get only 7 grams, but I'm not convinced. And yeah no probs, let me know some yield predictions, cause I'm pretty sure I can get much more than 7 grams outa my small WW, theres like 30 bud sites. My big one is a fruit spirit, both from RQS...

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@420PyRoS What's your PH, mines currently 6.0. My soil has some fiber in there too but im not sure what it is, ive had a few deficiencies on both, but that was my bad going light on the N. Have found a small copper spot recently tho. Worried about my flushes to come, did you ph your flush water or just ph the final jug?
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Mine did 15 gram per plant but they were only vegged for 3 week after rooting and those CFL don't hit the spot do they!!! They look well though chap I have some WW seeds to pop but don't know yet...
 
420PyRoS

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TheLemon said:
@420PyRoS What's your PH, mines currently 6.0. My soil has some fiber in there too but im not sure what it is, ive had a few deficiencies on both, but that was my bad going light on the N. Have found a small copper spot recently tho. Worried about my flushes to come, did you ph your flush water or just ph the final jug?
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Ah man, first grow here. I don't even know where to begin, I've run into many issues. At first I thought my Zinc def was nute lockout due to high PH, because my tapwater is 7.5, so I started adding acidity to the water/soil to try to fix the zinc issue. Problem was it was the few waterings, not nute lockout. So at the moment, I have no choice but to overwater the plant so it gets nutes/zinc presently. She doesn't seem to be affected by it, and in fact has got a lot better. The adverse effect of adding acidity to my soil in error, causes my water drainage PH to be sitting around 4.4 lmao! She loves it though and hasn't complained since.
 
Cl@rksville

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420PyRoS said:
Ah man, first grow here. I don't even know where to begin, I've run into many issues. At first I thought my Zinc def was nute lockout due to high PH, because my tapwater is 7.5, so I started adding acidity to the water/soil to try to fix the zinc issue. Problem was it was the few waterings, not nute lockout. So at the moment, I have no choice but to overwater the plant so it gets nutes/zinc presently. She doesn't seem to be affected by it, and in fact has got a lot better. The adverse effect of adding acidity to my soil in error, causes my water drainage PH to be sitting around 4.4 lmao! She loves it though and hasn't complained since.
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Oh she will... complain that is! 4.4 you either have a dodgy meter or thats an Azalea! Zinc is no big deal as a def because most product has more than enough of it, anyway you will overdose it with that acid rain youre pouring in loll
 
TheLemon

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Cl@rksville said:
Mine did 15 gram per plant but they were only vegged for 3 week after rooting and those CFL don't hit the spot do they!!! They look well though chap I have some WW seeds to pop but don't know yet...
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Nice! This gives me hope for the mini white widdow, have been super worried im gonna pull less than a 1/4 oz, but i'd definately be happy with 15g+... I am not doing the WW again after this, cause i just bought ww x big bud which looks amazing. You got any pics of the 15 grammers?

420PyRoS said:
Ah man, first grow here. I don't even know where to begin, I've run into many issues. At first I thought my Zinc def was nute lockout due to high PH, because my tapwater is 7.5, so I started adding acidity to the water/soil to try to fix the zinc issue. Problem was it was the few waterings, not nute lockout. So at the moment, I have no choice but to overwater the plant so it gets nutes/zinc presently. She doesn't seem to be affected by it, and in fact has got a lot better. The adverse effect of adding acidity to my soil in error, causes my water drainage PH to be sitting around 4.4 lmao! She loves it though and hasn't complained since.
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Ohhh bad crack, need to raise that PH ASAP, too low PH will cause lockouts, too high ph can cause mutated growth at first and then lockouts. My tap water is also 7.5-8.5 so i had to lower it down, but i didnt do it until a couple of weeks after sprout so i got mutated growth, sorted PH and everything went fine from there growth wise, overwatering is something to avoid at all costs from what I've read, all that stagnent water in the pot loses oxygen and the plant just dies.

Still on first grow myself, but I'm already prepping for my second, 2 special kush, 1 special queen & another fruit spirit just sprouted the other day in my mini grow room. just hoping that the ones in flower finish before the new ones get to big for the mini grow room.
 
420PyRoS

420PyRoS

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I'm hoping the PH meter is buggered trust me. Here she is though. Candy Cane Auto.
Either way, I've been flushing like a mad man the last couple watering and can't raise the PH at all, at least by the meter.

Started Pre-flower bout a week ago. Put on 6 inches since and doesn't seem to be slowing. Smells divine.


Edit: I practically flush them every week now, and they don't seem bothered by being drowned, thank god.
 

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What breeder did you get your WW from? I was looking at getting some and if yours was bad.. well.. hmmm. :P

Also, my second is a Norther lights auto, not pictured cuz she's still a baby. I have Barney's farm LSD fem seeds coming for my next bigger endeavor.
 
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TheLemon said:
Nice! This gives me hope for the mini white widdow, have been super worried im gonna pull less than a 1/4 oz, but i'd definately be happy with 15g+... I am not doing the WW again after this, cause i just bought ww x big bud which looks amazing. You got any pics of the 15 grammers?

The WW x BB is not a great smoke plant in my exp but I did 8 ounce off one in a 20 litre coco dripper! The tops were like a leg and just got monster fat, trust me the BB x WW love the old 0-50-30 bloom! Its needs load of air exchange and non stop oscillation to prevent mould. I may have them pix somewhere as I did some LST and uploaded them somewhere? When you top that BB/WW top it just once at around fifth node as standard and get the bamboo canes out, biggest buds you are ever likely to see!

420PyRoS said:
I'm hoping the PH meter is buggered trust me. Here she is though. Candy Cane Auto.
Either way, I've been flushing like a mad man the last couple watering and can't raise the PH at all, at least by the meter.

Started Pre-flower bout a week ago. Put on 6 inches since and doesn't seem to be slowing. Smells divine.

Nothing untoward going on there chap but throw that Ph meter down the crapper! All look proper to me...


Edit: I practically flush them every week now, and they don't seem bothered by being drowned, thank god.
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TheLemon

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@420PyRoS That's a nice looking plant, bet she tastes awesome too, is that LEDs? Just smashed the bulb on my PH pen and had to buy a new one, check your bulb, also get a chemical ph test kit for emergancies when your pen fucks up.

Got my WW & FS from royal queen seeds, I also got some special kush and special queen which have just sprouted. Wanted northern lights myself, but there was so many others that drew my attention. Apparently WW is hard to grow, especially for first timers, which might be why ive had such trouble with it

@Cl@rksville Now thats a good reason to grow it "the tops were like a leg" I love it. those are still in there pack right now so im probs not gonna touch them for a while, give me something to look forward to tho, what was your light setup to get 8 oz? Gonna need some new fans, my current one is awful, doesnt even oscillate, only runs 5w tho lol.

Edit: just got some free Fem Samsara holy grail 69s from herbies, dunno if they're any good, anyone heard of them?
 
420PyRoS

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TheLemon said:
@420PyRoS That's a nice looking plant, bet she tastes awesome too, is that LEDs? Just smashed the bulb on my PH pen and had to buy a new one, check your bulb, also get a chemical ph test kit for emergancies when your pen fucks up.

Got my WW & FS from royal queen seeds, I also got some special kush and special queen which have just sprouted. Wanted northern lights myself, but there was so many others that drew my attention. Apparently WW is hard to grow, especially for first timers, which might be why ive had such trouble with it
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Thanks, I'm not sure if the pen is the issue or not, as my input PH is 7.5 on the tap and always comes out 4.4 on drainage. I'm wondering if the silt and particles are messing up the reading in the drainage. I'm not sure how PH pens work exactly. It is made in China after all. I'll pick up a chem ph kit as you say.

Ahh, blah. I was looking at those one's from RQS as were good priced. I hear they're hard too. I might still try em down the road. I was almost about to buy the special queen and kush also when I got the LSD but changed my mind. I hope they turn out good as I'd like to try them also. My Northern and Candy cane are from Crop King Seeds, both autos. The Northern, well, I selected the largest seed and I think i'm going to regret it. The sprout leaves are already massive ugh.

Edit: Oh ya, under LEDs. Pretty sweet if you ask me, but then again, haven't seen the final product yet :P
 
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TheLemon said:
@420PyRoS That's a nice looking plant, bet she tastes awesome too, is that LEDs? Just smashed the bulb on my PH pen and had to buy a new one, check your bulb, also get a chemical ph test kit for emergancies when your pen fucks up.

Got my WW & FS from royal queen seeds, I also got some special kush and special queen which have just sprouted. Wanted northern lights myself, but there was so many others that drew my attention. Apparently WW is hard to grow, especially for first timers, which might be why ive had such trouble with it

@Cl@rksville Now thats a good reason to grow it "the tops were like a leg" I love it. those are still in there pack right now so im probs not gonna touch them for a while, give me something to look forward to tho, what was your light setup to get 8 oz? Gonna need some new fans, my current one is awful, doesnt even oscillate, only runs 5w tho lol.

They were in DWC and I ran 8 x 600w in a big room which had excellent ventilation, best room I have ever had was that. I did 16 cheese in same system under same lights for 6.6 per plant, its facking sick shit my son that DWC!
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