1g per 1w??? How does that measure efficiency?

propertyoftheUS

propertyoftheUS

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I don't know whoever started this "adopted standard measurement of efficacy" but wtf? I guess if you're talking 30 day veg 60 day flowering growth cycle then yeah, okay, I can dig. But why dont we come up with a fool proof unit of measure for efficacy? Any thoughts?
 
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CC Dobbs

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Everybody uses a slightly to very different method and style of growing.so there is no one-size-fits-all measure that would have any relevance for most people.

The real rule is: the more experience you have and the closer you pay attention to the details, the greater will be your efficacy and the greater will be your yield.

More flowers you will have, me thinks.
 
since1991

since1991

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Grams per watt of flowering light every 30 days makes perfect sense for most indoor growers if you really think about it. Watts and time are the only constants. Everything else is a variable that can be changed. Ive noticed the ones who arent hitting good numbers are almost always the ones that want to pick it apart. And the whole kilowatt hour thing is just ridiculous in my opinion. Realize it has nothing to do with quality. Realize most growers that claim a gram per watt every harvey are not getting that much. And realize i dont really pay attention to it anymore as the value of pot plummets. But it does make sense.
 
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qwizoking

qwizoking

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lemme try and explain. light is the energy source. if all is utilized, having a 600 in a 10x10 room full of plants wont yield more. veg time is irrelevant

in the same way that my 6month sat yields the same as a 2 month indy. you cant surpass the food source that is the light

this is why gpw is so effective. does it account for time..no. just efficiency of your plants and lighting.


if you wanted a better evaluation of your grow. tally up elec, nutes, yearly bulb swaps etc. along with harvests per year (which encompasses veg and flower time) and figure up a cost per gram


mine is $.38-.27 per gram..
 
hondagrower420

hondagrower420

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Efficiency boils down to overhead divided by product weight. Rent, electricity, water, cost of equipment, and anything else that cost money.

I'm right there at $.30 per gram also.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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lol thats an extreme case. depending on the region.. ive had central and south american sativas go 14-26 weeks... again depending on the region
ive never grown other sativas african Asian etc
 
since1991

since1991

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Here is what i want to know. Besides utlility (electric) bills and your time and labor what is the next biggest cost to run your setup? Mine used to be medium and nutrient costs. I reuse coir mostly now so its basically nutrient cost. And i been seriously considering making my own or choosing a very inexpensive brand like jack peters or something. Water bill where i live can get pretty silly too. And yearly bulb replacement costs for roughly 8000 watts can shock you if you dont prepare and anticipate for it. Co2 tank refills in my area were 18$ for a 20lb tank a month and a half ago. Now they went up to 31$. This shit for me is starting to factor into my grows. Back in the day i paid NONE of this any mind. Pot just isnt fetching the big bucks like it used too. Supply and demand my friends.....adapt and move forward. Anticipate the changes as best you can.
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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it doesnt fetch big bucks anymore...your right... why should it?

depending on strain and other factors it costs me roughly $10 to produce an oz...or ~$160 a lb.
thats after any and all costs.

i mean for giggles take that 8k... i run 24hrs and rotate lights or crops in flower. thats 2 cycles in the time of one. less than a gpw at 7000grams is 14000grams total with the rotation... in roughly 10 weeks.


this isnt assuming optimal conditions..this is a 10 week strain at like .85gpw

thats roughly 31lbs....
which would cost me about 5k total.

that 31lbs if sold at 50 a zone or 800 a lb is about 25k
or $2480 a week. if you can spread your income or do perp grows


if at 100 a zone thats 5k a week

or 300k a year. (yearly is a little trickier and just to show possibility.. biweekly harvests makes it much easier than hoping for an extra harvest in tje year..you get what im saying)


if you need better profit margins...thats some outstanding greed.


i sell $50 zones all day
make more than enough money.. and the price point keeps snitches from blabbing. they want this plug for themself. all product is essentially accounted for even before harvest. and ill never be able to grow enough to meet demand.
its a beautiful system.

i know some have pretty crazy elec.. where i am, its $.08-.12kwh
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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since1991 said:
Here is what i want to know. Besides utlility (electric) bills and your time and labor what is the next biggest cost to run your setup? Mine used to be medium and nutrient costs. I reuse coir mostly now so its basically nutrient cost. And i been seriously considering making my own or choosing a very inexpensive brand like jack peters or something. Water bill where i live can get pretty silly too. And yearly bulb replacement costs for roughly 8000 watts can shock you if you dont prepare and anticipate for it. Co2 tank refills in my area were 18$ for a 20lb tank a month and a half ago. Now they went up to 31$. This shit for me is starting to factor into my grows. Back in the day i paid NONE of this any mind. Pot just isnt fetching the big bucks like it used too. Supply and demand my friends.....adapt and move forward. Anticipate the changes as best you can.
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It is supply and demand, I liken it to restaurants, I am in CA, santa cruz, and there is TONS of competition for the herb.
BUT, like a restaurant.. anybody can cook a steak, but not a whole lot can do it WELL.
I concentrate on unique terpines, flavors, pheno types of f1 crosses, or whatever I can to differentiate my product from the dispensaries.
Growing technique, and unique strains are where it's at.
When your customers smoke your product and the first thing they mutter is "wow"
That's the key.
It's not easy, and it's REALLY difficult to do well on a grand scale (just like restaurants)
the best food is always made from a "hole-in-the-wall" restaurant.
By an old school cook that can make the damndest steak ya ever had.
----for the record---
I've never even come close to 1 gram per watt, per month. No way, not even half that
 
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az2000

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propertyoftheUS said:
I don't know whoever started this "adopted standard measurement of efficacy" but wtf? I guess if you're talking 30 day veg 60 day flowering growth cycle then yeah, okay, I can dig. But why dont we come up with a fool proof unit of measure for efficacy? Any thoughts?
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I think an average between g/w and g/sq ft (an average between the two) would be more accurate. I've grown with only 20w/sq ft and got 1g/w, but only 20g/sq ft. I've done 50w/sq ft and got 0.9g/w and 45g/sq ft.

I think both measures are valid. If you live where electricity is a premium, g/w would be what you focus on. If you lived in Tokyo where real estate is a premium, g/sq ft would be your motivating factor.

Sq. ft might not be accurate either. Taller plants require more light, produce more. I can get more from a sq/ft that's 7' tall than a 4' tall space. So, now we're talking cu. ft?
 
since1991

since1991

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Area of space is something you can change. Its a variable. Change it using the same lamp to increase your yield. Choice in variety (small plants, tall plants etc) is another one.
 
since1991

since1991

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qwizoking said:
it doesnt fetch big bucks anymore...your right... why should it?

depending on strain and other factors it costs me roughly $10 to produce an oz...or ~$160 a lb.
thats after any and all costs.

i mean for giggles take that 8k... i run 24hrs and rotate lights or crops in flower. thats 2 cycles in the time of one. less than a gpw at 7000grams is 14000grams total with the rotation... in roughly 10 weeks.


this isnt assuming optimal conditions..this is a 10 week strain at like .85gpw

thats roughly 31lbs....
which would cost me about 5k total.

that 31lbs if sold at 50 a zone or 800 a lb is about 25k
or $2480 a week. if you can spread your income or do perp grows


if at 100 a zone thats 5k a week

or 300k a year. (yearly is a little trickier and just to show possibility.. biweekly harvests makes it much easier than hoping for an extra harvest in tje year..you get what im saying)


if you need better profit margins...thats some outstanding greed.


i sell $50 zones all day
make more than enough money.. and the price point keeps snitches from blabbing. they want this plug for themself. all product is essentially accounted for even before harvest. and ill never be able to grow enough to meet demand.
its a beautiful system.

i know some have pretty crazy elec.. where i am, its $.08-.12kwh
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EarthBoxConnoisseur

EarthBoxConnoisseur

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qwizoking said:
lemme try and explain. light is the energy source. if all is utilized, having a 600 in a 10x10 room full of plants wont yield more. veg time is irrelevant

in the same way that my 6month sat yields the same as a 2 month indy. you cant surpass the food source that is the light

this is why gpw is so effective. does it account for time..no. just efficiency of your plants and lighting.


if you wanted a better evaluation of your grow. tally up elec, nutes, yearly bulb swaps etc. along with harvests per year (which encompasses veg and flower time) and figure up a cost per gram


mine is $.38-.27 per gram..
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Electricity costs vary from region to region, especially if you're going big it's going to cost even more with tiered rates
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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i agree quizo, but it will only compare to others in your area due to different electric prices.[/QUOTE]


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EarthBoxConnoisseur said:
Electricity costs vary from region to region, especially if you're going big it's going to cost even more with tiered rates
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yes i realize that... thank you for restating.........

ive seen elec in the high .3x's and as low as $.05kwh

we all use different nutes, medium, bulbs, maybe boveda packs or whatever..some pay trimmers etc as well

making this perfectly viable...
i dont care how much i yield relative to wattage or sqft. i care how much it cost to produce
its just not as accurate regarding strain info
 
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EarthBoxConnoisseur

EarthBoxConnoisseur

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Don't forget time=money also. If two people have the same monetary cost but one spends half the time, then their cost is actually substantially less
 
since1991

since1991

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Whats the definition of "going big"? And just what is "top shelf grade" marijuana? All relative really. High grade i would think is largely dependent on tolerance. I know alot of people that dont enjoy
face melting couch lock og and the like. Iam growing 8 different varieties rite now. A little for everyone. Sativa hybrids. Indica hybrids. You name it. And so is joe citizen down the street. Everywhere in my town. All kinds of different weed. Alot of shitty growers. They dont last. A hell of alot more serious growers cranking out some fire. No one goes to dispensaries in this town either. Not anyone i know. Weve had 2 cannabis cups in 2 years in this tiny shithole town. This whole area is a smokers dream.
 
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