1st grow NEED HELP BADLY!!!
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old shol4evr
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no, i wouldnt do anything ,but transplant into decent soil and give them time to adjust and then stomp onward threw the fog,i dont know who ever came up with the lime will keep the soil at 7.0 ph but that is bullshit ,you can over fertilize with fertilizer ,lime whatever,just get you some decent soil ,these plants are thougher than you think ,think about it this way what grows best in your yard and you dont have to do anything to it? weeds/// that is what you are smoking friend weeds ,you just have a better menu than the yard ,dont stress it ,if they die you at least know better for next round,if you give up and pull it ,well 40 bucks for 5 seeds ,i dont know about you but im giving it 120% to keep them going
Bookwurm
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Ok.. So after going to 3 different places I couldn't find anything that wasn't miracle grow except "jiffy seed starter" which is peat moss, vermiculite and coir. At this point I'm pretty convinced I'll need to really search for the items needed in my area, but my question is will the jiffy seed starter suffice until I can get the necessary amendments?
old shol4evr
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do you have a feed store near you,you could also get good soil, there.if those are the only items you could find ,you could use the coco and vermiculite and some perlite. the coco guys swear they grow weed faster in it,but you will have to feed nutrients to it,you can start another thread to get there attention and they will line you up.i just prefer soil because everything in life comes from it ,we as man wouldnt survive without it,soil is easy for mistakes when growing ,if you screwup you can straighten it out quicker,downside to it is ,the screw up is deep in it before you notice yet still gives time to correct it,hydro and soiless is right in your face when it happens. soil is slower but like i said i grow for medicine and it is just for me,all that yeild crap dont matter ,i always keep a male for when i want to breed a girl for seeds.
check out your local feed store see what they got or if all else fails go to a nursery
check out your local feed store see what they got or if all else fails go to a nursery
old shol4evr
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that should work to get you started ,until you can build some soil
old shol4evr
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read that bag of perlite and see if it has slow release agents in it,if im not mistaken the jiffy is mainly petmoss,i use it to start seeds,if all other attempts fail for soil medium,mix the jiffy with miracle and add perlite. if you want to build some soil for water only check out buildsoil.com and you can get all your amendments from kelp4less.com.if you build your own and if i was you i would not having anything close.you have to let it cook for at least 6 weeks.check out some of the other growers soil builds and see if one will work for you. if you get with dr.pecker or greasemonkey they are pretty sharp cats on soil builds.why you wait the miracle grow will have to do,keep in mind it has food already in it and just water nothing else till you have a soil to transplant in.if i was in your shoes though i would just mix all the stuff you have together ,read my girls and go with it,people been growing in it for years
just water and tip your pots to feel when you need to and give it a try,just what i would do
just water and tip your pots to feel when you need to and give it a try,just what i would do
puck1969
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As far as the watering, I had the same problem and got a little greenhouse at a grow store. I suppose you could
make one but I would at least try to cover the soil a bit (I used a paper plate for a 5 gallon pot) and the white plate
keeps the soil from heating up. It will definitely hold water at the top of the soil. If you try to cover them make a vent
at the top cause you can cook them if you aren't careful. Just my 2 cents.
makka
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Yeah just use the jiffy. Mix pal don't use the perlite it's got slow release nutes and they already burnt up just transplant into the jiffy mix in solo cups with drainage holes and only give water when they are LIGHT in a week or two they should be good then start quarter strength nutes well I would do that anyway lol
Bookwurm
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Okay.. I'd like to think the transplant went successful. I tried to take as much of the MG soil out before transplanting but I'm still a little skeptic being that the small seedling had a lot of shock being transplanted that early. My question for today is, even if I got most of the mg soil out, is there any chance they can continue to burn?, and should I apply lime to the top of the soil and water to bring the ph down? I'll provide pics shortly
ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS add garden lime to the soil, I don't give a flying fuck if its 40 dollar a bag super duper fucking top of the line soil, ALWAYS add garden lime.
Lime is not a fertilizer, It is a mineral and will keep your ph in check and add calcium to your soil,AND NO IT DOES NOT GROW BEST IN YOUR YARD,
Even if you purchase fox farm soil ,,ALWAYS add garden lime to it,
nutrients have a tendency to lower ph,some of the soil manufacturers you can get a good batch of soil,,then get a bad batch of soil, what fucks you is when your soil PH gets out of balance and your plant can not uptake the nutes that it needs,
This is why time released soils can fuck you, is as the molucules break down and releases, it changes the soil PH and fucks up the plant,
Miracle grow organic will be fine to start a seedling in. and have plenty of food for it to get a good healthy start, still always add garden lime and always ph your water,
Once you develop good habits those habits will continue on as if its second nature,
Once you have everything dialed in when something goes wrong as it always will, it will be much easier to figure out what the problem is and correct it faster,
Super thrive mixed at the rate of a drop a gallon will not hurt when you transplant but is not necessary,
YES top dress with the garden lime, YES add it to the water you pour onto your plants,
If you live in the country and are using well water it would be advisable for you to use rain water, water from your dehumidifier or air conditioner, or purchase a RO system off of ebay for 75 bucks, quality in , quality out,
New growers are scared of hydro, is normally why they do not use it,
Here is what you can do that is easy and fool proof,
Purchase a bucket, Enough perlite to fill that bucket, drill holes about 25%to 30% up from the bottom,
Get good clean water, purchase two bottles, either General Hydroponics or advanced nutrients monkey juice line, Get the mirco and the bloom bottles ONLY,
Mix 5 ml a gallon of micro and ten ml a gallon of bloom in veg, Mix 8 ml a gallon micro and 16 ml a gallon of bloom in bloom, mix up in good clean water and pour onto plants in perlite hempy buckets,This is known as lucas formula , growing this style is known as hempy buckets,
You cannot over water and do not have to worry about ph problems,
You cannot go wrong and cannot fuck anything up with this method,
pour just a little water on them everyday until the roots hit the reservoir in the bottom of the bucket, once the roots hit the res you might have to water every two or three days,
5 ml micro and 10 ml bloom in veg, 8 ml micro and 16 ml bloom in bud, it self PHs the water when you drop it into the water,
On a 8 week strain when you start week 5 drop out micro, weeks 5 and 6 just bloom,and just ph balanced water weeks 7 and 8.
Lucas formula will be printed on the bottles,
Bookwurm
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Okay, I feel like some of the plants are doing better and some are doing worse (as expected). I also think I'm seeing signs of mutated fan leaves. I have been looking for new growth as which was stated above, and I strangely see new growth on every plant even the mutated ones. Also, I read somewhere that it is not good to use "hydrated lime" in my soil due to additional chemicals that are not wanted in my soil. Could this be the cause of my mutated fan leaves and how do I correct this problem? 
Bookwurm
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Arent I a little late in the game to start hempy buckets? You have definitely peaked my intrest and I am going to do research on the subject when I have free time. I was just told by a fellow grower in my hometown to just go with soil.. Guess he was wrong. BTW thank you for all your help concerning this manner. You are truely a life saver and I salute you sir.
Yea you are a little late for the hempy buckets,next time you can give them a go
mutated leafs are frequently caused by a ph problem,when you top dress the soil with garden lime pour water on it and water it through into the soil,
the reason I directed you to hempy buckets is it is the easiest form of hydro(passive hydro) with nothing to go wrong and you CANT over water it, it is very very simple,with clean water and lucas formula you cant go wrong,It also lets new growers get some experience with hydro, after you do hempy buckets you will see how easy and fool proof it is,then it will no longer be intimidating to the new grower,
It is easy to mess up listening to people who do not know what in the hell they are doing,
So much advice is wrong advice you will get,
Dirt Is easy to grow in but the hardest to grow well in,
If you are getting new green growth it is a good sign
Im not sure if hydrated lime is the same as garden lime,garden lime you cant really overdose a plant with it unless you try to grow in straight garden lime.
Did you ever get a ph meter yet? try and pour water into the soil let the water run through the container and catch the water as it comes through the bottom, then test the ph of that water, it will give you a little better idea about what the soils ph is and if that was the cause of your problem(im pretty sure it is)
No nutes will need to be added to the soil until the seedling gets a lot bigger,
any time you need advice you can ask or hit me up,