1st "real" grow.. Advise from experienced ppl appreciated

I call this my 1st " real" grow because this is the the 1st time I'm going all out ( money , time, learning etc) I've actually have attempted before in my early teens but I never took it seriously(prob cuz I didn't smoke yet lol) my last time.. About a year ago, I was succesfull using a b.s. Aerogarden. But realized I could have had a much better harvest if I'd had better equipment & the knowledge I have now.. Even tho I'm a noob.. I'm not completely.. I've followed this sit & others for a while now & prob have read more threads than subscribed users (even though I follow , I never registered or posted b4 now) now that I have moved away from the aerogarden, I got a 400 watt mh/hps fixture, stopped with the Bagseed and actually ordered from attitude, now me being from the inner city & being black I naturally was nervous about ordering from the net (u don't do dirt on the net when u from the hood lol) didn't get the beans yet , I'm ridiculously nervous but still optimistic. Now that I got my lil introduction out the way , on to my questions...

1. Kno this depends on strain & is debatablebut how many plants should I veg & flower under a 400 watt light?

2. If grow a mother plant and make clones could I possibly flower at the same time if I put the clones on a table to balance out the height differences?

3. I ordered special queen #1 & got diamond line madness as a freebie.. Anybody grown/had experience with these strains?? Any grow suggestions? Sog,scrog etc..

4.most ppl I've seen on YouTube with a 400 watt light grow in closets.. I actually have a lot of space(big room) should I find a way to split the room in half to maximize light effeciency?

& any other advise would b greatly appreciated

Aight rollitup.. I fuks wit y'all so I'm just gonna take all the views to this thread & no comments as y'all way of saying ur nit interested until I post pics, so don't worry pics will be up by tonight. But a few things have changed since I began this thread so let me catch all of u up....


1st my 1st order I was so paranoid about , I actually made an error with one digit of my address and I had my order of special queen #1 and diamond line madness returned back to the attitude. When I tracked my order It said this on USPS web site (returned to sender due to invalid address) I kno, I'm a dumbass lol.. But whatever.. I orderd some more, this time white widow from pyramid seeds, got cotton candy from delicious seeds as freebie & I ordered an afghan kush from world of seeds & got green love potion from samsara seeds as freebie.. This time I made sure I made no dumb mistakes!! And what do u kno?? A dude from da hood got his beans!!! All feminized btw.. Me & my homeboys always joke and say white boys got da best bud.. Well not for long lol.. & before y'all get me confused I'm not on no racist stuff, just trying to step my bud game up to da white ppl level lol

So far plants have been in veg from seed since march 9, how long should I veg to get atleast 1oz per plant.. & btw the afghan kush never germinated so afghan kush is now considered a profanity in my book and so is world of seeds.. I would prefer to never hear of this strain or breeder again lol

Damn dude, I am sorry no one has responded to your posts. I am in a similar situation as you; I grew some pretty awful pot about 10 years ago and quit because I was so frustrated and unsuccessful. Now I have some money to invest and do things proper and my results are already speaking for themselves. Yes, I have run into a couple issues here and there but now that I have knowledge, and RIU, I am fixing the issues as the come up and not letting them get any worse.

As for your strains, I am not familiar with any of them but thats not 100% critical when helping another person out. I think strain really matters when you are trying to maximize your yield and get every single bit of bud that you can get out of your plants. Of course things like whether the strain is Indica or Sativa will require different space requirments because of their different heights.

How tall are your plants that are in veg? How much height do you have to work with in your grow room? What nutrients are you using? What is your setup? Hydro, soil?

To answer how many plants you should have under a 400 watt light, I would say no more than 6 but it really depends on how you grow them. SCRoG? SoG?

Are you asking if you can flower both your clones and your mother plant at the same time? Are you planning on cycling new mother plants? Otherwise you should keep your mom around for a while so you can keep taking clones off of her.

If you have a big space, you should think of setting up 3 sections, one for mother plants/clones, one for veg, and one for flower. That way you can harvest every month!

Can you post some pics? It really does help a lot.

Sims your gonna be ghetto fab when you get your plants all flowered out. The reason people put the 400 watt lights in the closet is because they cant cover a wide area of plants your light is only good for a 3x3 foot space and thats a closet pretty much under your light you should be able to fit 4 descent size plants. when your seedlings pop the soil and get two or three sets of leaves veg them for another 2-3 weeks under 24 to 18 hrs of light then switch to 12-12 this way your plants wont get too big for the 400 hps

Also i know you dont wanna hear this sims but i have never had a problem with world of seeds i got afghan kush cross with black domina (black Afy) that looks amazing in flower like with all seed companies and seeds your gonna have a few duds and a few phenos that arent as good as others also with your question on the mother and the clones the whole point of having a mother is to take the clones from you dont flower out your mother until she gets old or something you keep her to take kids from. but if you wanted to take clones and flower your mother you can go ahead and do that but i think you should just get the hang of the growing before you start to try the cloning thing

This is my cotton candy

White widow

Green love potion

1st off .. Berkman good lookin!! I appreciate u being the 1st one to sho me love on here, & as to my set up. I have a ceiling that is 7 ft tall.. But I'm not worried about that cuz I know I won't let en get that big, I'll wanna smoke way before that!! My patience is already running low but I wanna wait so I can atleast get 1oz per plant.

Tried to respond before but idk what happened , anyway... Berkman good lookin!! I appreciate u being the first 1 to cone & show me some love & give me good advise which is greatly appreciated, now to reply to ur questions.. I have a 7 foot ceiling but I'm not worried about that cuz I don't have the patience to let em grow that big anyway.. I was hoping I could get away with another 2-3 weeks before flower maybe?? I wanna pull an oz per plant minimum.. So if I have to veg longer I don't wanna but I will.. & I also forgot to mention that my house is being renovated so the space I'm in is only temporary ..right now I just have a corner panda filmed off not 100% light proof , but close.. I'd say like 96% if that makes any sence.. But I'll eventually have an entire room, not a huge one , but a room none the less.. & I'll have all 4 walls covered in Mylar ( hopefully this will be ready in another 2 weeks, was supposed to be done a month ago tho so idk)

& to Montana ... The afghan kush got me pissed. Every YouTube grow video I see with afghan kush I can't help but suck my teeth, everytime I see my 3 girls sittin there , I can't help but to think the afghan kush should b there right next to em .. & world of seeds is the only breeder that I had actually heard of before I ordered.. So if anything, I thought it would be the best.. But I guess I'll never know.. & idk if u seen my pics I just uploaded but my white widow doesn't look like any white widow I've ever seen.. It's extremely indica.. And the shortest of the 3.. It's like 3 & a half inches.. The green love potion is 4 inches & the cotton candy is about 7 & a half inches

Sims da smoker (Qboro) said:

Tried to respond before but idk what happened , anyway... Berkman good lookin!! I appreciate u being the first 1 to cone & show me some love & give me good advise which is greatly appreciated, now to reply to ur questions.. I have a 7 foot ceiling but I'm not worried about that cuz I don't have the patience to let em grow that big anyway.. I was hoping I could get away with another 2-3 weeks before flower maybe?? I wanna pull an oz per plant minimum.. So if I have to veg longer I don't wanna but I will.. & I also forgot to mention that my house is being renovated so the space I'm in is only temporary ..right now I just have a corner panda filmed off not 100% light proof , but close.. I'd say like 96% if that makes any sence.. But I'll eventually have an entire room, not a huge one , but a room none the less.. & I'll have all 4 walls covered in Mylar ( hopefully this will be ready in another 2 weeks, was supposed to be done a month ago tho so idk)

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Sounds like you are just like the rest of us, you wanna get those little fuckers to flower as quickly as possible. I have found the growing process is very good for teaching patience and is very Zen-like if you let it be.

So you want about an ounce per plant, that is definitely doable with 3 plants under a 400 watt lamp. I would flip them to veg when they are around 12 inches high, that will give you approximately 3 foot plants when you are ready for harvest. General rule of thumb is 2/3 growth after flipping to flower, but that can vary according to strain.

As for your area not being 100% light proof, this is very, very important when you flip to flowering. You will want to make sure can you get it as light proof as you can, because any light during the dark periods will fuck things up.

I see your plants seem to be curling or 'tacoing', how close is your light to the plants? Also, they seem to be a little plastic looking, what type and how strong of nutrients are you using? Either way they are looking decent so don't get discouraged or frustrated, we all have issues to deal with when learning to grow. I think you will be hard pressed to find anyone that gets it completely right every time and doesn't ever have issues, that motherfucker is a liar!

Good luck and keep it green!

Oh & btw .. I do understand the whole concept of the mother /clones.. & I know I should keep the mother Alive to take cuttings but I just can't make up my mind right now, one day I wanna do the right thing and save the mothers and flower the clones .. But the next day I think that's gonna take to long and u wanna just flower all at once.. & another thing is , all I have besides my 400 watt is a 125 watt hydrofarm cfl grow light .. How many mothers if any could I keep alive under that .. & could possibly root clones under that too, and all I have is superthrive , can I substitute that for clone ex or no ?? & I figure if I do have clones (assuming I can clone successfully) I won't mind pulling a little less than an oz.. Not too much less tho, because of the fact I'll have more clones coming in to flower..& I just put my homeboy on to demonized seeds .. He an old school rasta type so he skeptical of all this , he still doesn't fully understand the concept if feminzed seeds and sencimillia bud.. He still sees it as "greens" & "high-grade" but he's learning , but anyway the point is I convinced him to order too so he has a bunch of beans coming in about a week and I'll be able to clone those as much as I want so getting more seeds or clones won't be a prob

What kinda soil you got those plants in? How long has it been since they popped out from the soil top? Indicas are usually shorter. Are you making your water ph from 6.2 to 6.8? Are you using nutes? I'm assuming you got good air flow. 3 plants for 1 x 400 watt + mylar against the 4 walls sounds good. 400 watts of what? Hps or Hid? Nice soil pots btw. post more pics, we all love pics

lookin good! - Don't over lov'em

Yea, I kno my plants are lookin a little hurt, I'm not in denial .. I think I started feeding them too early and nute burned em, I fed em fox farm big bloom , grow big , & cal mag on march 18... I had a gallon of water, I mixed I tablespoon of grow big, 4 tablespoons of big bloom & 1 tablespoon of cal-mag... The worst part is when they got burned I couldn't figure out if it was the light or the nutes . So I raised the light & feed again a week later smh.. But when the plant got burned again , I realized it was the nutrients.. & being that I got the Cheep bulb, $15 bucks but only 33,000 lumens not the 50,000 like the expensive ones are so I don't think it's the light , plus I have a thermometer on the canopy & it never goes above 81 degrees, but usually is around 78-79 degrees with light on .. Because it's still cold outside where I live & I keep the window open, but this Is with my heat on. I gotta keep my self warm lol

how many really depends on how you grow...I have probably 20 different plants of at least 5 different types...I get bored easy so...I like to try new things...but I have 2 tomato plants that if I took them out and straightened them out they would probably be 7 feet tall...around every pot there is a tomato branch...they grew much more than I thought they would...but in not too much longer now I will have my own tomatoes...and it doesn't seem to hurt anything...turns out MJ prefers to be ignored...my plants look better than ever because I now have too much to do to end up doing too much...I need to feed and water the catnip, or strawberries, or tomatoes...or whatever so the Mj just has to wait, and the plants freaking love it! THEY LOVE IT!!!so stick them in the back of the or whatever and annoy them and then get you some catnip and tomatoes and everything you hear on here and want to try...try it on those plants first...your MJ will thank you for those days spent dry, they will thank you for not fertilizing them everytime they get a spot, like us newer people tend to do...we love them to death...so get a shit load of veggies and such you want to try to grow and plant those as well...then spend more time on the other things...but the amount of plants in veg is limitless almost...way more than you would think...I stack small pots on top of bigger spots and all the plants have to grow around the jumble...but again...they dont' mind at all...anyway...in flower it is another story...I like a larger plant so I can only fit like 3 or 4 in the flower tent of the same size...so what I want to do is keep mother plants in the veg tent and take clones straight to flower after they are rooted...but right now my veg tent is so heinous I don't know what is in there...

Don't have the Mylar up yet.. That's hopefully in a week or two when I get my permanent room set up, And I'm using roots organic soil with some added perlite.. And I have been using nutes but am gonna fall back because I already nute burned em, so for right now just plain water & I don't have a wAter ph tester yet. They crazy expensive!! Maybe later, but I have read my areas water report & my city has pretty neutral water .. I do have a soil ph tester which I actually used for the 1st time today & all 3 pots tested between 6.5 and 6.8.. So I feel pretty good about that