2 plants, 6 and half potatoes RDWC

jijiandfarmgang

jijiandfarmgang

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Hello all,

I see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes and giving bad advice. Don't get me wrong there are some very knowledgeable people in these parts but there seems to be less and less of them.

Any ways I thought I'd post my thoughts (take them or leave them).

The number one problem people have in Hydro, is some extravagant concoction. Keep that junk out of your res. Quit being victims of marketing and hype. Stick to base nutrients. I mix my own, its super cheap, and there are people to help you here if you have a problem. There are also many companies offering dry nutrient salt recipes designed for hydro for a very reasonable price.

I suppose most people think the biggest problem is root rot/root disease. Remember this is a symptom of something else out of whack. And most of the time peoples plants just aren't healthy.

Lots of dissolved oxygen, lots of quality par light, and cool nutrient solution temps.......how you go about those is up to you, just remember keep it simple

Here's a couple pics of 2 plants I grew on the side. There's nothing ideal about this setup, and they were stressed a fair amount, but still managed to do well.

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- Jiji
 
Skunk Baxter

Skunk Baxter

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I get a mental image of that dorky guy in "Office Space..." I picture myself wandering around saying, "I was told there would be potatoes.... I was told there would be potatoes...."


jijiandfarmgang said:
I suppose most people think the biggest problem is root rot/root disease. Remember this is a symptom of something else out of whack. And most of the time peoples plants just aren't healthy.
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And a big reason they're not healthy is because too many people assault their plants with whatever bizarre chemical concoction they heard about from some cool pamphlet. It's a weed, people. A weed. That's all it is. Yeah, it's a lot more potent than the Panama Red I smoked 40 years ago, but that has a lot more to do with genetics than nutrients. If you know how to grow, and how to read your plants, you don't need most of that shit, and in fact a lot of it works against you and makes it harder to keep your plant healthy. Simple is often better.

It's like having a puppy - you put a plate of food down, and he eats until he isn't hungry anymore. Then he stops eating, because that's all he needs. You don't chase him down, wrestle him to the ground, and jam 4 more kinds of different, fancy dog food down his throat with a broomstick, do you? No, of course not. So why do you do it with a marijuana plant? Give it what it needs, then get out of the way and leave it the fuck alone.
 
Joe Blows Trees

Joe Blows Trees

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Seems to be to easy to kill plants in hydro vs soil. I enjoy soil, less headaches than hydro IMO. I do agree with you @jijiandfarmgang that people are using to many "concoctions" that aren't necessary. Nice grow too. :weed:


I was also looking for potatoes. :shock:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Joe Blows Trees said:
Seems to be to easy to kill plants in hydro vs soil. I enjoy soil, less headaches than hydro IMO. I do agree with you @jijiandfarmgang that people are using to many "concoctions" that aren't necessary. Nice grow too. :weed:


I was also looking for potatoes. :shock:
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That's the goofiest response to a really stellar pull I think I've ever heard!

To say that it's unreliable in the face of such obvious success is not just wrong, it's insulting.

Her airpump failed, proving the system is even more robust than either you or she gave it credit for!

Soooooo, just to keep things even, do ya REALLY want me to reel off a list of dozens of things that can and often do go wrong with soil?

The truth is that once a grower develops a comfort level with the nutrients they're using, it can be just as easy as soil- and much better in case of mistakes as it's easy to dump a res, with soil not so much.

I'm hydro only, but I don't rag on the dirt pushers. It just looks bad.
 
Joe Blows Trees

Joe Blows Trees

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@ttystikk clearly you're looking for an argument as I never said anything negative about hydro, nor those who choose to grow that way. I'm also smart enough to know soil is not perfect. I only stated the reason I choose to do soil which is why I said "IMO" in the statement you quoted. I have no issue with anyone's way of growing, I'm interested in what I can learn to increase my skills.
 
jijiandfarmgang

jijiandfarmgang

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Its a risk/reward thing. What I'm trying to say the risk is really low, when you're doing it right. But there's always risk. For instance I don't have a generator or backup ups, and my power went out during the grow. Luckily it wasn't much over an hour, and everything was fine.

As for reward, I grow in various soiless mixtures but I've never pulled anything like that before in soiless/soil. In fact I don't think I've ever seen anything like them in soil indoors ever. If anyone has, I'd like to see photos.

- Jiji
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Looks nice! The only struggle I have had with soilless is temps and that was easy enough to overcome. I find that with hydro you have much more control over things with a quicker response time when things go astray but that's just my opinion lol. Again nice grow! And just for the record I hate air pumps lol.
 
Alaric

Alaric

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jijiandfarmgang said:
Hello all,

I see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes and giving bad advice. Don't get me wrong there are some very knowledgeable people in these parts but there seems to be less and less of them.

Any ways I thought I'd post my thoughts (take them or leave them).

The number one problem people have in Hydro, is some extravagant concoction. Keep that junk out of your res. Quit being victims of marketing and hype. Stick to base nutrients. I mix my own, its super cheap, and there are people to help you here if you have a problem. There are also many companies offering dry nutrient salt recipes designed for hydro for a very reasonable price.

I suppose most people think the biggest problem is root rot/root disease. Remember this is a symptom of something else out of whack. And most of the time peoples plants just aren't healthy.

Lots of dissolved oxygen, lots of quality par light, and cool nutrient solution temps.......how you go about those is up to you, just remember keep it simple

Here's a couple pics of 2 plants I grew on the side. There's nothing ideal about this setup, and they were stressed a fair amount, but still managed to do well.

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- Jiji
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Nice Jiji,

I guess around 60 days veg time for those POTatoes?

Are you using any medium?

What size root chambers?

Grams per watt?

What contributed to unwanted stress?

A~~~
 
jijiandfarmgang

jijiandfarmgang

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Alaric said:
Nice Jiji,

I guess around 60 days veg time for those POTatoes?

Are you using any medium?

What size root chambers?

Grams per watt?

What contributed to unwanted stress?

A~~~
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Thanks Alaric, means a lot coming from someone with as much experience as you.

I'd guess you could veg them that size in that time. I vegged for longer, not sure how long as I really didn't pay attention, but they were really tiny in the corner getting almost no light (until I moved them into the light the last couple weeks.)

The chambers are all 3 27 gallon rough totes.

Grams per watt, I dunno. I used a 600 watt mh in the center vertical. Then a 1000 watt on the end for about 3 weeks. Then the side lighting from the gavitas overhead. (there were other plants below the gavitas in that room, actually they blocked a lot of light on the lower growth of the hydro. And the Gavita controller dimmed the gavitas a fair amount because of high temps.

The stress, was from light bleaching, high temps near the gavitas, and me not keeping a good eye on ph. I like to drift ph, but sometimes it really drifted lol.

Nothing was really ideal, I just crammed them in that room, and they stretched like crazy and really wanted to bush out past the trellis.

- Jiji
 
texasjack

texasjack

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I love the idea if hydro (and am doing my first soiless right now) but i do travel a decent amount and that's the part that keeps me from trying.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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jijiandfarmgang said:
Hello all,

I see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes and giving bad advice. Don't get me wrong there are some very knowledgeable people in these parts but there seems to be less and less of them.

Any ways I thought I'd post my thoughts (take them or leave them).

The number one problem people have in Hydro, is some extravagant concoction. Keep that junk out of your res. Quit being victims of marketing and hype. Stick to base nutrients. I mix my own, its super cheap, and there are people to help you here if you have a problem. There are also many companies offering dry nutrient salt recipes designed for hydro for a very reasonable price.

I suppose most people think the biggest problem is root rot/root disease. Remember this is a symptom of something else out of whack. And most of the time peoples plants just aren't healthy.

Lots of dissolved oxygen, lots of quality par light, and cool nutrient solution temps.......how you go about those is up to you, just remember keep it simple

Here's a couple pics of 2 plants I grew on the side. There's nothing ideal about this setup, and they were stressed a fair amount, but still managed to do well.

View attachment 3554027 View attachment 3554030

- Jiji
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Nice.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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texasjack said:
I love the idea if hydro (and am doing my first soiless right now) but i do travel a decent amount and that's the part that keeps me from trying.
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As long as the power stays on then I can leave mine any where from 7-14 days depending on stage. Not much different then soil really IMO for the hands on attention. Also even if the power goes out they will be good for 24 hrs (if things don't freeze :(. ) my roots are not flooded so plants seem fine without being sprayed for a day.
 
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