3 Cotyledons

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Justjokingnotme

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ok so me seedlind had broken soil, seed still attached and it looked fucked up and like it wasn't going to come off. impatients causes problems... I gently pried the seed cap off, too my surprise was 3 cotyledons, cool! BUT taking the seed cap off left the cotyledons a pale yellow and no sign of true leafs. question is, is it set for failure, is it fucked, will it die. can it be saved? if so, what do I do. will light help?

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vostok

vostok

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3 cotyledons is a triplate or better a triploid, the gene is recessive and very difficult to breed, but can be done continually with sweat!

most weed plants are diploids, or have 2 leaves

avoid poking and messing it just so so Nooob
good luck
 
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Justjokingnotme

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yeah thats cool I understand all that, my concern though is the pale yellow cotyledons. normally they're a nice green. did I take the cap off whilst they were immature? will it make it still?
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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Justjokingnotme said:
yeah thats cool I understand all that, my concern though is the pale yellow cotyledons. normally they're a nice green. did I take the cap off whilst they were immature? will it make it still?
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Simply wait and be patient and try to not love it to death. Next time put the seed a little deeper.
 
Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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Rarely should you 'help' a plant as you did, and often removing the seed can damage or kill it, but not always. Just don't do that again.

A triploid is a thing of beauty, and occur only about one in ten thousand seeds (I was told by a botanist)
I've grown only own and didn't breed her because I killed her. It was one of my first grows and I knew nothing. I had dreamed of breeding her, imagining a strain that produces 50% more bud than average. If it truly happens only once every 10k, I'll never see another one. Hope yours makes it, friend!
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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vostok said:
3 cotyledons is a triplate or better a triploid, the gene is recessive and very difficult to breed, but can be done continually with sweat!

most weed plants are diploids, or have 2 leaves

avoid poking and messing it just so so Nooob
good luck
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Father Ramirez said:
A triploid is a thing of beauty, and occur only about one in ten thousand seeds (I was told by a botanist)
I've grown only own and didn't breed her because I killed her. It was one of my first grows and I knew nothing. I had dreamed of breeding her, imagining a strain that produces 50% more bud than average. If it truly happens only once every 10k, I'll never see another one. Hope yours makes it, friend!
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Um, fella's. With all due respect.

Your incorrect! NOT A triploid!

That's whorled phyllotaxy!



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It's nothing special and is considered not that uncommon...

Doesn't really make anything better, in fact. The quality suffers most of the time..

Triploid's - are sterile and produce no seeds.

They are commonly found in grocery stores as "seedless" produce. Examples would be seedless grapes and Melons..

Triploid is a form of Polyploidy.......Triple leaf sets are NOT triploid!
 
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cookie master

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You are wrong, you were wrong in the whorled thread too. Its trifoliate, whorled is when the stem flattens and the plant stops all upward growth.
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Justjokingnotme

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okay yep I've heard and seen the arguements as to whether its a triploid or whorled phyllotaxy ra de ra ra & tbh I don't care what its called I just wanted to know about the colour and get growing lol.......

so, anyway.. update; after being in under the light, it's turned green and green true leafs are showing. so it is all go - now to leave it and let it do its thing with bugger all human interaction.

anyone grown strawberry cough before?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cookie master said:
You are wrong, you were wrong in the whorled thread too. Its trifoliate, whorled is when the stem flattens and the plant stops all upward growth.
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Each picture you posted is NOT whorled- phyllotaxy ! Those are polyploid plants....Another waste of time mutation in cannabis. Stupidly rare thing too! You'll find male seeds in "Femmed" seeds before you'll ever see a real polyploid cannabis plant!

Trifoliate = 3 leaf set. Trifoliate plants throw 3 leaf sets...Clover is an example of a trifoliate plant.

How about you actually read Wiki for WP? Then Polyploidy, then Trifoliate.

Did I say "Male seeds in "Fem seeds?" Yes I did! There's another truth. No such thing as 100% female seeds from selfing for Female seeds.....I don't care how you make them. Colloidal, STS. You will get a male! They run around 1:3000 and "twins" or seeds that will pop 2 plants from 1 seed - about 1:1200 to 1:1500.....

I suggest you stick with being a master of cookies........It ain't plants..
 
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Da2ra

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I always figured the males in fem seeds was from stray male pollen in breeders rooms or stressed females.
 
OrganicGorilla

OrganicGorilla

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Dr. Who said:
Um, fella's. With all due respect.

Your incorrect! NOT A triploid!

That's whorled phyllotaxy!



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It's nothing special and is considered not that uncommon...

Doesn't really make anything better, in fact. The quality suffers most of the time..

Triploid's - are sterile and produce no seeds.

They are commonly found in grocery stores as "seedless" produce. Examples would be seedless grapes and Melons..

Triploid is a form of Polyploidy.......Triple leaf sets are NOT triploid!
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So a whorled phyllotaxy female won't produce seeds if bred?
 
OrganicGorilla

OrganicGorilla

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Dr. Who said:
No, no. They're a mutation, simple and fertile.

TRIPLOID plants are sterile...
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Okay good! I was worried after reading because I have a whorled phyllotaxy female Tangie in my outdoor open pollination garden and was hoping to get some F2s from her.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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cookie master said:
Its not triploid, its trifoliate, like a clover. Unless its a 4 leaved clover.
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Bzzzt. WRONG! Go take a botany class at your local Jr college......Didn't bother to google trifoliate, did we? :wall:

Trifoliate leaves (also known as trifoliolate or ternate leaves) are a leaf shape characterized by a leaf divided into three leaflets.

Cannabis is not a trifoaliate plant OR in the family of any trifoliate......

Didn't bother to google whorled phyllotaxy either......Did we? :wall:

In botany, phyllotaxis or phyllotaxy is the arrangement of leaves on a plantstem (from Ancient Greekphýllon "leaf" and táxis "arrangement").
The basic arrangements of leaves on a stem are opposite, or alternate = spiral. Leaves may also be whorled if several leaves arise, or appear to arise, from the same level (at the same node) on a stem.


The quotes are from Wiki........

BTW, It's "4 Leaf clover" not "Leaved"...... Now you got an English lesson for the price of a Botany lesson too.
 
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