Any effective thermal shielding tips??

Heavy Consumer

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In certain areas, like for example the UK, police use (what I assume is infrared) thermal imaging cam's mounted on choppers, to identify dwellings with elevated heat levels. They sometimes visit these in search of grow rooms. Are there any easy and/or effective methods of treating a room in order to make detection by this method less likely? Perhaps some time of insulation sheets to line the walls, ceiling and loft floor with.
 

Lo Budget

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Second thread in as many days regarding ir flyovers. Must be a big deal in the UK.
Search for IR blocking film, you'll find products just for that use. Good luck, and stay dark!
 

Heavy Consumer

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Second thread in as many days regarding ir flyovers. Must be a big deal in the UK.
Search for IR blocking film, you'll find products just for that use. Good luck, and stay dark!
Thank you. I will do. I searched but using different keywords and I didn't find it. Perhaps this thread should be removed in that case. Thanks again.
 

Lo Budget

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Thank you. I will do. I searched but using different keywords and I didn't find it. Perhaps this thread should be removed in that case. Thanks again.
No need to remove it, I'm sure it will come up again. It looks to be expensive, so it's probably best used in the 'hottest' areas and normal heat dispersion techniques for the rest of the operation.

Here's one product, I know nothing about it except I found it on the 'net. Should be typical.
http://www.growlightexpress.com/reflective-films-ir-block-86/
 
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Padawanbater2

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In certain areas, like for example the UK, police use (what I assume is infrared) thermal imaging cam's mounted on choppers, to identify dwellings with elevated heat levels. They sometimes visit these in search of grow rooms. Are there any easy and/or effective methods of treating a room in order to make detection by this method less likely? Perhaps some time of insulation sheets to line the walls, ceiling and loft floor with.
With the tech available, especially to LE, dunno if the UK applies, but if you were in the US.. I'd bet posting about it is more detrimental than researching and doing it yourself. I'd be more worried about asking about it rather than actually doing it.

Fucking sad state of affairs we live in today, eh?...
 

Heavy Consumer

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With the tech available, especially to LE, dunno if the UK applies, but if you were in the US.. I'd bet posting about it is more detrimental than researching and doing it yourself. I'd be more worried about asking about it rather than actually doing it.

Fucking sad state of affairs we live in today, eh?...
Agree 100%.
 

RedWhiteBlueGreen

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Lol! Ur right - everyone's posting this - seems i must be the only person left in UK not worried about IR camera's! Or else maybe I'm just too small scale and everyone's doing warehouse size bedroom grows now?!!

I ain't gonna type all the reasons not worry about choppers for the umpteenth time, but if ur seriously worried about heat detection the best bet is vent down a long length of ducting that has alot of 90 degree turns built into it, so the air is losing heat energy to the ducting material at every turn. If u wanna go super overboard, replace the oncoming face of each corner section of metal/plastic ducting with a stone or rock plate/slab and that will sap even more heat energy out.

Think of what a heat exchanger in a regular water boiler/heater looks like and how it folds and turns back on itself. (And please just google image one before asking what they look like!!) )The length of your ducting will increase 10 fold tho!

Either that or ur talking powering equipment to lower the average ambient temperature of ur surrounding grow room so the heat from the lights impacts on room temp from a lower starting point. Certainly the shareholders of ur local energy company will be happy with that anyway!

Or if u really think u gotta be that worried then simply don't grow fullstop!
 
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justugh

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this stuff
http://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Blocker-Shield-Hydroponic-Plant/dp/B0058JCSAS

or u can line the walls and ceiling with foam board
http://www.lowes.com/Building-Supplies/Insulation-Accessories/Foam-Board-Insulation/_/N-1z11pq2/pl

sorry they are usa links but at least u know exactly what to look up in your section of the world

here is the whole thing with ir blocking
u are making a air barrier so the thermal print is reflected back u need to have a solid barrier with not breaks and no holes ..........the ir blocker is the one that is more costly but a thinner lay works ........the foam board well that is just that trapped pockets of air but it does not have the reflect Mylar on it so u will need the 2 inch thick

with IR blocker if u break the that air bubble u just lost the effectiveness of this so u need to tape or liquid nails it up ( i found poly wrap will stay up with staples then u can use that to get a better grip with tape in IR blocker )

if u ever have to run from cops have a big puffy jacket it will block the IR from the chopper allowing u to get away or stay hidden (it reflects your heat back in u and the outside of the jack will get to the temp of the air as long as the insulation is thick enough not to allow transfer u are invisible to them on camera) ......i figured this out a few years ago if u are the kind of person with some style u can have a 1300s riding cape made outside is leather inner part is mylar then the inner liner with pockets and all it will do the same thing little less effective in cold weather but spring summer and fall be fine for
 

justugh

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Lol! Ur right - everyone's posting this - seems i must be the only person left in UK not worried about IR camera's! Or else maybe I'm just too small scale and everyone's doing warehouse size bedroom grows now?!!

I ain't gonna type all the reasons not worry about choppers for the umpteenth time, but if ur seriously worried about heat detection the best bet is vent down a long length of ducting that has alot of 90 degree turns built into it, so the air is losing heat energy to the ducting material at every turn. If u wanna go super overboard, replace the oncoming face of each section of metal/plastic ducting with a stone or rock plate/slab and that will sap even more heat energy out.

Or if u really think u gotta be that worried then simply don't grow fullstop!
u should be

your rules are alot less friendly to the ppl ..............your system guilty until proven innocence

plus u guys just joined in the bombing of isis in iraq .......with your troubles with Muslims from the past and that push for their laws to be imposed there .........any chopper in the sky with flair will be just scanning until they get a call for something so the odds of u getting caught have increased by a good bit ........just saying heat and alot of power can be from several different things and if they do some crazy attack with some weapon that needs prep work they will just hit everywhere with a hotspot and unjustifiable power usage .................and do not forgot your wire tapping the rules favor the government already so they can do everything the usa is doing illegally ............and then your country has the most cameras on the planet per block and linked into a system accessible by the government

i love castles and midievil stuff since i was a kid i always wanted to go over there and see what u guys have to offer .......but my paranoid ass will not go anywhere with that many cameras and automatically guilt .............that is how i know so much plus grandmother was 100% off the boat
 
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RedWhiteBlueGreen

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Lol! Since u started off serious then I will answer u seriously at least!

Firstly it is innocent till proven guilty,plus we got some of softest laws here - whatever sentence any criminal gets, u only serve half if u behave well. This is literal- even for murder a life sentence (commonly 25 years) allows release after 12 to 14 years - it happens a lot!

Secondly I think most civilian refugees fleeing dickheads like Isis will tell u British justice is far better than that in the shitholes they're escaping. We dont publicly execute people for insulting made up stories! Why u think they all come here??!

Thirdly, there is no world conspiracy. You are not important enough for the government to care about. Choppers cost shitloads per hour to fly, wiretaps are only a problem if u wanna live cam feed ur grow across the net, and thankfully they haven't yet mounted CCTV camera's outside every bedroom window in Britain yet.

Your paranoia and irrationality will get u caught quicker than anything the police may be doing.
 
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justugh

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Lol! Since u started off serious then I will answer u seriously at least!

Firstly it is innocent till proven guilty,plus we got some of softest laws here - whatever sentence any criminal gets, u only serve half if u behave well. This is literal- even for murder a life sentence (commonly 25 years) allows release after 12 to 14 years - it happens a lot! Secondly I think most civilian refugees fleeing dickheads like Isis will tell u British justice is far better than that in the shitholes they're escaping. We dont publicly execute people for insulting made up stories! Why u think they all come here??!

Thirdly, there is no world conspiracy. You are not important enough for the government to care about. Choppers cost shitloads per hour to fly, wiretaps are only a problem if u wanna live cam feed ur grow across the net, and thankfully they haven't yet mounted CCTV camera's outside every bedroom window in Britain yet.

Your paranoia and irrationality will get u caught quicker than anything the police may be doing.
wait
i got u here so i am going to make sure
They must also read the police caution to the suspect - which advises them of their right to remain silent, and is currently “You do not have to say anything. However, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence” - unless it is otherwise impractical to do so.

that harm your defence part implies u are guilty ...........here in the USA we do not have to say a word it will not harm us at all but if we do talk it can be used against us

as for the time ppl are in jail ................that is everywhere i am currently facing 6 years right now in state jail but they will toss out the biggest charge then the other 2 will be a 1500 fine maybe probation for 18 months .............alls i do is move over a few states where the laws are different how the probation moved there and i can smoke weed with a medical card ....plus work in growing


as for the crazy ppl alls i know is they got a train tunnel over there and they are with in boating distance /driving distances once they enter a country will less warnings ..........guy i am sorry but they will do something to u guys then to us or to us then u ...........USA might be the devil to them but where did we come from u would be the logical 2nd target

what lvl is your terror alert ........how much of the budget goes to it now mi5 mi6 local cops plus the others i do not know about ...........they already have the chopper in the air for calls at least 1/2 per city it is standard op so they can respond to chase requests and anything else with in 2 to 3 mins ..........if u think they are not running the flair when they are just flying around between calls u really should check out some Youtube ............they post them a place growing is like a vegas on that screen
 

GrowerGoneWild

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In certain areas, like for example the UK, police use (what I assume is infrared) thermal imaging cam's mounted on choppers, to identify dwellings with elevated heat levels. They sometimes visit these in search of grow rooms. Are there any easy and/or effective methods of treating a room in order to make detection by this method less likely? Perhaps some time of insulation sheets to line the walls, ceiling and loft floor with.
My only problem with any insulation or remedy like IR blockers is to prove it does in fact work and is invisible to a FLIR camera. I've been doing alot of research lately on R values, of different materials, and even foam board with a reflective surface has little R value in comparison to a fiberglass or recycled denim. I'm convinced that foam with a reflective surface alone will still leak enough heat out to show up on a FLIR camera. I think you will need additional insulation, in the roof in the form of heavy r19 battings or something similar.

You could move the grow to tents, that would keep the heat contained to the tents, but still insulate the roof with and celing with combination of reflective foam and heavy insulation battings... Again this is just theory.

Now I have a non contact IR thermometer, I guess I could take readings and compare it with the house that doesn't have a grow going on, and compare with background or just borrow a FLIR camera, but I have the IR thermometer.
 

RedWhiteBlueGreen

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wait
i got u here so i am going to make sure
They must also read the police caution to the suspect - which advises them of their right to remain silent, and is currently “You do not have to say anything. However, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence” - unless it is otherwise impractical to do so.

that harm your defence part implies u are guilty ...........here in the USA we do not have to say a word it will not harm us at all but if we do talk it can be used against us

as for the time ppl are in jail ................that is everywhere i am currently facing 6 years right now in state jail but they will toss out the biggest charge then the other 2 will be a 1500 fine maybe probation for 18 months .............alls i do is move over a few states where the laws are different how the probation moved there and i can smoke weed with a medical card ....plus work in growing


as for the crazy ppl alls i know is they got a train tunnel over there and they are with in boating distance /driving distances once they enter a country will less warnings ..........guy i am sorry but they will do something to u guys then to us or to us then u ...........USA might be the devil to them but where did we come from u would be the logical 2nd target

what lvl is your terror alert ........how much of the budget goes to it now mi5 mi6 local cops plus the others i do not know about ...........they already have the chopper in the air for calls at least 1/2 per city it is standard op so they can respond to chase requests and anything else with in 2 to 3 mins ..........if u think they are not running the flair when they are just flying around between calls u really should check out some Youtube ............they post them a place growing is like a vegas on that screen

Lol! No worries - I don't mind answering!

The harm your defence bit is only a kindly warning that if you're gonna say 1 thing upon arrest but suddenly flip it round & say something totally different in court then u must be aware the judge/jury will reasonably think what the fcuk is this guy on about, and being shown up as a liar in court never really helps any type of defence!

Its basically the arresting police saying please think carefully about what u choose to say and be consistent as we will use it all. There is definitely no implication of guilt before innocence and the part of the law that created it also helps ensure that anything you DON'T say isn't used against u instead, i.e. coppers can't just claim in court "oh yeah, he claimed he's a massive wholesaler grower & he also said he wants to kill children with his drugs".

Unlike a lot of corrupt & inefficient countries , you haven't got to worry about police stitching u up/planting stuff on u/lying about what u said, etc as all evidence used or things said by u have to be proveably traceable back to u. If there's any doubt about physical evidence or things u said then its dismissed as inadmissable evidence and not used in trial at all. Literally trails have been thrown out entirely if wrong evidence was used. (Obviously yes, there is 1 or 2 cases a decade where yes do coppers stitch up someone big they really hate or maybe to cover a horrific mistake but that's cause in any organisation u got someone being too human & who's gonna abuse power.)

Overall the UK police are very fair and play by the rules, and if anything in the compensation/ political correctness culture we suffer now, it's actually more of a ballache for them as there is loads of times they got a criminal who genuinely should be imprisoned for long time but cause of unreliable evidence,they can't hammer him like he deserves.

And that's another thing u gotta remember, the laws on drugs are just another set of laws amongst many that the police have to enforce. It might seem personal and annoying but the same powers are used to bring rapists, paedophiles, burglars, car thieves, muggers ,etc to justice too, and that is obviously a good thing. And to be fair to our UK system, we should be grateful to the police remaining impassive and rigorously following their job orders, regardless of whether they should or not, since it is not up to them to define or change the law - it is up to us citizens to lobby politicians and bring about change that means coppers can then be told leave smokers/grower alone.

And yeah as for immigrants & foreigners, firstly we suffer loads with them coming here and it is quite a current talking point in UK. We give them free benefits (money) and houses and to be fair to them, they can't believe we so soft! It also puts massive strain on hospitals,schools, etc too. And u go to London now and and the only English things left are the buildings and red buses!

But it is people who are too scared/lazy to change their own country so they flee somewhere easier. Obviously if u a single woman with 3 kids or an elderly couple then fair enough, but we got tons of young, fit & able foreign men here & most of them claim they Afghan or Iraqi as they know UK feels guilty about recent war & they claim the stupid human rights act on they can't go home or they'll be killed, etc. Most times its bolloxs & they blagging it. In my mind this is the men who should be staying home stopping groups like Isis from rampaging thru their countries. One thing UK can be proud of is we ain't been invaded & overrun in over a thousand years - if some bullying Muslim group started executing people in British villages, they would not get very far before people started ripping into them.

In fact if u want real life good example; in Scotland when some arab jihad dick tried to car bomb Glasgow airport, it failed to properly blow so this Scottish guy passing by runs over to the burning car, drags the guy out and starts kicking the shit out of him on the street! Was brilliant! No-one in UK fcuking runs & we certainly don't mind fighting - how else do u think we won the Empire and dominated the world for so long?! 75% of colonies we invaded had far superior population numbers and could easily have got their asses together & kicked us right out. The American War of Independence was 1 of the only main times colonists had to balls to stand up & fight back, yet even then that was only cause America was populated with a lot of exiled English so apart from the few Dutch, French, Italiens, etc we were basically fighting our own anyway! But overall we fcuking dominated on fear alone, cause we've always had less of it & our colonists had more.

As for terror level I'm not sure, I think only orange as we call it, sort of mid-high average. But yes government & po!ice do invest a lot in counterterroris and general surveillance, but then a lot of that stems from the fact that people are so free overall that police need a lot of tools to monitor everything people can do. Plus we have to let a lot of dodgy & dangerous people walk around free as to be fair it would be against civil liberties not to. And like I said earlier, all police/govt evidence has got to be made to stick or else its wasted and /or they have to pay compensation to any suspects wrongly convicted/harassed, etc.

Anyway that's enuff, hope is some help/interest anyway.

And my only other thing was i was thinking u live in country which has Patriot Act!!?? Now that is proper serious state snooping!
 
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justugh

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@RedWhiteBlueGreen

well i will give it to your cops they do not shoot ppl for not no reason .............worst case they get tased a few time but not 9 times to kill a 27 year old


the sheer fact that once u walk out of your door u are on camera everywhere as long as it is a major city or village that has the upgrade done to it ........freaks me the fuck out for the sheer fact i seen what ppl can do with video tapes .............u piss off the wrong person and the tape can be doctored and then u are doing anything they want and it is video vs u ...........at least here we have the right to confront the accuser in court so a video tape and all that can be tossed out with the right lawyer ( i gotten out of speeding tickets from red light camera do to this .........i demanded my accuser be in court since they could not produce it and the law has not been changed i got away with it) most ppl here can do this but they just pay the tickets

as for the patriot act u have no idea .............the prez has the right to call marshal law for anything he sees fit for this would remove all cops and have milarty troops as police force .......congress is shut down no court system no trails no pass go ....go directly to lock and stay there until they decide to let u go in 30 years or to kill yah ............look at gitmo most of those ppl are free but they will not release them nor will they let them die (not eating) ..............it freaking horrible ppl got scared and gave up all the rights we fought for for 200 plus years ...............a major attack on the usa .....like what they are talking about doing to power grid ( knock it out like it did mexico ) to get our grid back up will be 12 months to 18 months ..............marshel law will be called

sec that happends my happy ass is in the mountains ..........i know of a protected natural spring (heck i know of one less then 10 mins walk from my house now) put ppl are only 3 meals away from going ape shit ........no power to keep food cold in stores all goes bad all the canned items are gone with in 20 hours .....with no more power they can not can food on a massive scale like they do now so food riots and bread lines again like in the 1920s

atleast in the mountains i can hunt for game and grow something using the sun ............out where ppl are no chance in hell dogs cats will be food horses cows ..............fish are no good with what we have done to the oceans now and then sure but eatting for ever ymeal mercury poison in less then a few months

and this is not even account for gas refining .....heat oil ......medical needs ..........do u know how many of those meds need to be cooled to be stored and they do not keep huge stockpile on hand because they think they can make more

the honest to god truth i think all the ppl incharge all over the world should be marched outside to some wall shot and bodies left there to rot ..........so no one thinks they can repeat those actions ...............this includes all the bankers and 1% around the world too
 
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