Very few in nth America have ever heard of this Dutch crew except for their interesting tour vids on you tube, just try getting them strains before these jerks fuck them up? most euros and Brits are wise to them, with far better choices available, but 2 years ago, much was made of them in Germany Poland and Russia, and they got ripped off big time, I followed the story of the White Widow with great interest and to this day the Black Widow is still one of my favorites, I keep in my seed box. http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-cannabis-seeds-banks/1272791-strain-hunters-green-house-seeds-co.html?