Wow surprised to hear you say short, that's my problem. I germed them on the first of aug switched to 12/12 about 2 weeks later and they were about 8-12" tall and all fimmed as soon as they showed 2nd node they got clipped. Now however they are in between 5-7ft tall if I let them stand up. They are way taller then I anticipated. I figure it has some to do with light competition but they were all being kept close to light, I have a cool tube.also they seem to flower and look like a Sativa dominant plant long narrow leaves and slow flowering, maybe only 2 weeks into actual flowering, I know being turned to 12/12 doesn't mean they will flower right away but I expect them to be further along. I started them the same time as a Chocolope Heaven and a Toxic Blue 33 and both of them are just a couple weeks from being done. I have pics of whole grow up til now but don't know how to upload from my phone.