Anyone watching the Ahmaud Arbery murder trial?

hanimmal

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BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — The man who initiated the chase that ended in Ahmaud Arbery’s death quickly changed his story about why he suspected the 25-year-old Black man running in his neighborhood was a criminal, two police officers testified Tuesday.

Glynn County police Officer Jeff Brandeberry told a jury that Greg McMichael — one of three white men on trial for murderin the case — at first told him that Arbery had been recorded by security cameras “breaking in all these houses out here.”

“Well, he makes frequent trips to the neighborhood and gets caught on video cameras every third or fourth night breaking into places and no one’s been able to catch him,” McMichael told Brandeberry, who read in open court from a transcript of the conversation recorded by his body camera.

The officer said he spoke to McMichael at the scene of the shooting, with Arbery’s body lying under a sheet in the road nearby, as police first responded on Feb. 23, 2020.

McMichael’s account shifted when he spoke with a Glynn County detective at police headquarters late the same day. Whereas he’d first blamed the slain man for break ins at multiple houses, McMichael told Detective Parker Marcy the intruder had targeted a single home — one that was still under construction with no doors or windows.

Marcy testified that McMichael told him he had seen “two or three videos” that showed “this guy breaking into or being or wandering around into this house.”

Greg McMichael; his adult son, Travis McMichael; and neighbor William “Roddie” Bryan are charged with murder and other crimes in the death of Arbery. Glynn County police never arrested them. Instead charges came more than two months when cellphone video of the shooting leaked online and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case. The video sparked an outcry amid a national reckoning over racial injustice.

Prosecutors say the men had no legal reason to pursue Arbery with guns, as there’s no evidence Arbery committed any crimes in the Satilla Shores subdivision outside the port city of Brunswick.

Proseuctor Linda Dunikoski showed the jury security camera video from inside the house under construction recorded just before the deadly chase. Arbery can be seen wandering through the open-framed interior but doesn’t seem to touch anything. He ran after a neighbor outside called police.

“Do you see him take anything or steal anything from this location?” Dunikoski asked Marcy.

The detective replied: “No ma’am.”

Defense attorneys say the defendants had reason to suspect Arbery was a burglar.

Franklin Hogue, Greg McMichael’s attorney, noted that in the same interview in which his client told the detective about Arbery entering the house under construction, he also said there had been “numerous entering autos and break-ins” elsewhere in the neighborhood.

“Logic tells you this guy may be the one that’s doing it,” Greg McMichael said, according to the transcript.

Greg McMichael said the chase began when he saw Arbery “hauling ass” past his home on a Sunday afternoon. Saying he recognized Arbery from security camera videos shown to him by a neighbor who wasn’t charged in the case, he ran inside and grabbed a .357 magnum handgun. Travis McMichael armed himself with a shotgun before they went after Arbery in a pickup truck.

Bryan joined the chase in his own truck and recorded the video of Travis McMichael shooting Arbery at close range.

Defense attorneys say Travis McMichael opened fire in self-defense. Brandeberry testified that Greg McMichael told him at the scene: “He attacked my son. He came at him. He tried to get the damn shotgun away.”

Marcy testified that Greg McMichael said he armed himself because he suspected Arbery may have stolen a handgun from his son’s truck several weeks earlier, though he acknowledged he had no proof. The detective said he asked whether the videos of Arbery inside the home under construction showed him picking up or taking anything.

“You know, not that I recall,” Greg McMichael answered, according to the interview transcript that the detective read in court. “I don’t think the guy has actually stolen anything out of there, or if he did it was early in the process. But he keeps going back over and over again to this damn house.”

The jury Tuesday saw several photos police took after the shooting of Travis McMichael, who had Arbery’s blood on his hands and arms as well as spattering his shirt, face and neck.

Brandeberry said Greg McMichael also had blood on his left hand, which he told police he had used to check Arbery for a weapon after the shooting when Arbery fell facedown in the street with one arm tucked beneath him.

Greg McMichael later told police he had shouted a warning to Arbery during the chase, when the running man ignored the demands of the men in the truck telling him to stop.

“I said, `Stop,′ you know, `I’ll blow your f—-ing head off,′ or something,” he told Marcy. “I was trying to convey to this guy we’re not playing, you know?”
 

smokinrav

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CunningCanuk

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Ok, im starting

I don’t understand this. Isn’t the judge involved in the jury selection process? He acknowledges the process was unfair but he did nothing.
 

hanimmal

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I don’t understand this. Isn’t the judge involved in the jury selection process? He acknowledges the process was unfair but he did nothing.
I think of it as the 'I am not touching you' form of racism that the right wing hate mongers likes to play.

Like by gerrymandering around 'Democrats' they can pretend like it is not them specifically gerrymandering based on race. This sounded like the same kind of thing. The defense attorney didn't actually mention race, so while it is obvious that it was about race, the judge can't just call bullshit legally. That is what it sounded like to me anyways.

I think that this is also why the trolls are in love with the kid killer trial, they get to pretend like a white kid who showed up to stop 'rioters' at a minority based social justice protest has nothing to do with race so they don't trigger those racist labels, because it was all white people who were involved. While if they try to defend these murderers the racism is obvious.
 

CunningCanuk

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The defense attorney didn't actually mention race, so while it is obvious that it was about race, the judge can't just call bullshit legally. That is what it sounded like to me anyways.
That makes sense but it’s still surprising to me. I would have thought the judge would be at least sensitive to the optics in a highly publicized case like this. I also don’t understand why the prosecution waited until the jury selection process was finished before raising the issue.

Maybe my understanding of this is Hollywoodized, but I thought both the prosecution and the defence team have to agree on the individuals being selected.
 

smokinrav

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The county has only 75,000 people total, mostly white. But even with that caveat, there should be at least 3 black jurors to resemble the community.

A better question is why the trial wasn't moved to a bigger county with a less contaminated juror pool.
 

hanimmal

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That makes sense but it’s still surprising to me. I would have thought the judge would be at least sensitive to the optics in a highly publicized case like this. I also don’t understand why the prosecution waited until the jury selection process was finished before raising the issue.

Maybe my understanding of this is Hollywoodized, but I thought both the prosecution and the defence team have to agree on the individuals being selected.
More like the defense gets to ask for the same amount of people to be dismissed from what little I understand of jury selection. That way it is easier for them to nix black members of the jury due to numbers leaving only white people left (generally).
 

hanimmal

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BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — One of the three white men standing trial for the death of Ahmaud Arbery said they had the 25-year-old Black man “trapped like a rat” before he was fatally shot, a police investigator testified Wednesday.

Father and son Greg and Travis McMichael armed themselves and chased Arbery in a pickup truck after they spotted him running in their coastal Georgia neighborhood on Feb. 23, 2020. A neighbor, William “Roddie” Bryan, joined the pursuit in his own truck and took cellphone video of Travis McMichael shooting Arbery three times at close range with a shotgun.

More than two months passed before the three men were arrested on charges of murder and other crimes, after the graphic video leaked online and deepened a national reckoning over racial injustice.

Glynn County police Sgt. Roderic Nohilly told the jury Wednesday he spoke with Greg McMichael at police headquarters a few hours after the shooting. He said Greg McMichael, 65, told him Arbery “wasn’t out for no Sunday jog. He was getting the hell out of there.”

The father told Nohilly he recognized Arbery because he had been recorded by security cameras a few times inside a neighboring home under construction. Greg McMichael said they gave chase to try to stop Arbery from escaping the subdivision.

“He was trapped like a rat,” Greg McMichael said, according to a transcript of their recorded interview Nohilly read in court. “I think he was wanting to flee and he realized that something, you know, he was not going to get away.”

Defense attorneys say the McMichaels and Bryan were legally justified in chasing and trying to detain Arbery because they reasonably thought he was a burglar. Greg McMichael told police Travis McMichael, 35, fired in self-defense as Arbery attacked with his fists and tried to grab his son’s shotgun.

“He had an opportunity to flee further, you know,” Greg McMichael told Nohilly. “We had chased him around the neighborhood a bit, but he wasn’t winded at all. I mean this guy was, he was in good shape.”

Prosecutors say the McMichaels and Bryan chased Arbery for five minutes before he was shot in the street after running past the McMichaels’ idling truck. Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski has described him as an “avid runner” who lived about 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the Satilla Shores neighborhood where he was slain.

Bryan, 52, was on his front porch when he saw Arbery run past with the McMichaels’ truck close behind. He told police he didn’t recognize any of them, or know what prompted the chase, but still joined in after calling out: “Y’all got him?”

Bryan said he used his truck several times to cut off Arbery and edge him off the road, testified Stephan Lowrey, the lead Glynn County police investigator on the case. He said police found Arbery’s fingerprints by the truck’s driver-side door, next to a dent in the body. Bryan said Arbery had tried to open the door, but he denied striking the running man.

“I didn’t hit him,” Bryan said, according to an interview transcript Lowrey read in court. “Wish I would have. Might have took him out and not get him shot.”

Bryan’s attorney, Kevin Gough, asked the investigator if he thought Bryan committed aggravated assault or any other “serious violent felony” with his truck.

“No, that wasn’t the way I interpreted it at the time,” said Lowrey, who agreed that local police considered Bryan a witness to the shooting.

Glynn County police made no arrests in Arbery’s shooting. But Lowrey said he hadn’t closed the case when the Georgia Bureau of Investigation took it over in May.

“It was still open but not getting much traction,” Lowrey said. He added: “I think inactive was a fair summary.”

The Rev. Al Sharpton spoke with reporters Wednesday outside the Glynn County courthouse, where he held the hands of Arbery’s parents while leading a prayer for justice. Sharpton criticized the disproportionately white makeup of the jury.

Superior Court Judge Timothy Walmsley allowed the jury to be sworn in last week after prosecutors objected, saying several Black potential jurors were excluded because of their race, leaving only one Black juror on the panel of 12. The county where the trial is being held is nearly 27% Black.

“It’s an insult to the intelligence of the American people,” Sharpton said. “If you can count to 12 and only get to one that’s Black, you know something’s wrong.”

In court, another neighbor, Matthew Albenze, testified he was splitting logs in his front yard on the day of the shooting when he saw Arbery enter the home under construction across the street.

Albenze testified Wednesday that he went inside his house and put a handgun in his pocket before he called police from behind a tree at the curb. Arbery left the house running toward the McMichaels’ home while Albenze was on the phone.

Albenze told the jury he called the police nonemergency number. Dunikoski asked him: Why not 911?

He replied: “I did not see an emergency.”

On the witness stand Wednesday, Nohilly pushed back as one of Greg McMichael’s attorneys asked if raising a gun would be an appropriate response to a fleeing suspect who refused verbal commands to stop.

“You’ll sometimes draw your weapon, won’t you?” attorney Franklin Hogue asked.

Nohilly replied: “I don’t just pull my gun.”

Hogue then asked: “At some point, if the person is going to attack you, you’ll go ahead and use your weapon.”

“It depends on how he’s attacking me,” Nohilly said.

Hogue then asked him what if the attacker is trying to take his gun away.

“At that point it might meet the threshold, yes,” the police sergeant said.
 

HGCC

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I do think the chances for conviction are much higher on this case than with Rittenhouse. Though yeah...it wasn't that long ago that these dudes would just be seen as good Samaritans, I think the good ol boys (cops and the shooters) were perplexed as fuck about it. "Oh shit, so we were supposed to arrest those guys?" "Oh shit...thats a crime...really, well when the hell did that change."
 

mooray

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I do think the chances for conviction are much higher on this case than with Rittenhouse. Though yeah...it wasn't that long ago that these dudes would just be seen as good Samaritans, I think the good ol boys (cops and the shooters) were perplexed as fuck about it. "Oh shit, so we were supposed to arrest those guys?" "Oh shit...thats a crime...really, well when the hell did that change."
I'm not hip to this case beyond seeing the video however many months ago, but this one reminds me of zimmerman, in that, there were contributing actions that were terribly unwise and fueled by bigotry, but ultimately they were legal in georgia. Once they both had hands on the gun, whoever lived was going to walk, as sickening as it is. With the rittenhouse case, I don't know if it will happen, but he should be found guilty on the reckless charges because of the crime he committed that contributed to the events that day, that's where the difference lies, imo.
 

HGCC

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Lol, I see it the opposite, but maybe not in a solid legal sense. I thought Zimmerman picked a fight and then killed the person in self defense. I thought he was guilty. Rittenhouse seems similar, the act might have been in self defense, but the defendant in both cases did quite a bit to set things in motion. I think its wrong that someone can pick a fight, then when the victim defends themselves it becomes self defense to kill them. Don't start shit won't be no shit as the saying goes.


This one seems like some good ol boys saw a black dude in the neighborhood and chased him down and killed him. I really can't see any legal defense working here. Who knows though, legal stuff can be weird.
 

mooray

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That's funny, I saw zimmerman as the good ol' boy chasing down a black dude. I think the legal defense is the same, everything up to the shooting being legal, as unwise as it may be, then both parties fighting for their life, legally speaking anyway.

Sorry, I have to add, that's my review in hindsight after watching the case. Beforehand, I thought he zimmerman was going to prison for the rest of his life.
 

HGCC

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Zimmer was closer to...idk, some fuckin weirdos that exist out here in the suburbs. Lots of couch potato commandos that are way too into guns and their weird fantasy lives where they have to defend against something. We don't stop at those houses on Halloween.

They do keep their yards tidy, I give them that.
 

hanimmal

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What Zimmerman did was basically do what the Rosenbaum guy did to a unarmed Rittenhouse who was not breaking curfew and was not armed and doing nothing wrong, and then he ended up killing his victim with a gun.
 
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