Are fresh buds bad for your lungs?

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I vaped a few fresh buds off my plant over the past couple days and im wondering if there is any harm that it could be doing to my lungs. im getting baked and the bud is clean, but could nutes in the buds be bad for your lungs?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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If you are vaping ... there is no issue. Whether or not you believe that fresh bud stores nutes ... all you'll get off a vape hit are the volatiles, and nutes, chlorophyll, sugars ... whatever a cure allegedly or actually reduces ... are not volatiles. cn
 
woodsmaneh!

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There have been cases of people going blind and temporary loss of hearing. There have been reported cases of men developing breasts and also loss of sex drive, means you can't get it up. Most cases are for over eating and sleeping with the chance hurling. Hope this puts your mind at rest.
 
eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
If you are vaping ... there is no issue. Whether or not you believe that fresh bud stores nutes ... all you'll get off a vape hit are the volatiles, and nutes, chlorophyll, sugars ... whatever a cure allegedly or actually reduces ... are not volatiles. cn
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...I'm listening :)
 
cannabineer

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eye exaggerate said:
...I'm listening :)
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The nutes thing puts me in mind of the flushing controversy that uses up some fair chunk of RIU bandwidth. There are some interesting beliefs regarding plant physiology, memes really, swingin through the axons of the smoker community like gibbons chasing fresh fruit. Ook! cn
 
eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
The nutes thing puts me in mind of the flushing controversy that uses up some fair chunk of RIU bandwidth. There are some interesting beliefs regarding plant physiology, memes really, swingin through the axons of the smoker community like gibbons chasing fresh fruit. Ook! cn
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...:) So, proper curing is the ticket, hey? I was reading about flushing 'n such. One comment I saw (can't remember which site it was) was someone saying "don't bother flushing - a good cure will take care of anything taste related".
 
woodsmaneh!

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brimck325 said:
why are you using wet bud? its still in acid form, correct? hasn,t turned into thC yet.....peace
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all these years, no wonder I never got high on green bud that was wet, I'll have to try drying it to get it to turn to THC, now the acid part I don't know if I believe that because I never had a acid trip on all that green bud. Just saying......
 
woodsmaneh!

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eye exaggerate said:
...:) So, proper curing is the ticket, hey? I was reading about flushing 'n such. One comment I saw (can't remember which site it was) was someone saying "don't bother flushing - a good cure will take care of anything taste related".
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That was likely me

I put the summery first, It is also backed up by science links attached.


Summary:

Pre-harvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are losing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with pre-harvest flushing.

For one thing, the most common way that growers flush their crops is by giving their crops water that has no nutrients in it. But this doesn't fully cleanse your crops. It only starves your plants so they lose vigorous floral growth and resin percentages just before harvest. Other growers use flushing formulas that generally consist of a few chemicals that sometimes have the ability to pull a limited amount of residues out of your plants.


Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavour of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulphur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is needed for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are movable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Trans-location:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the trans-location process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be trans located through the phloem. Immobile elements can’t be trans located and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the root-zone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Trans-location is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins; most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulphur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.

http://muextension.missouri.edu

Summary:

Pre-harvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are losing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with pre-harvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on un-flushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or over fertilization and improper drying/curing.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...I have a V-Tower vaporizer. It came with a 'pot pourri' attachment. Well, it holds a clipped 'test me' bud just perfectly and dries it out at a rate that I can set. It's a double edged sword, really :)
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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eye exaggerate said:
...:) So, proper curing is the ticket, hey? I was reading about flushing 'n such. One comment I saw (can't remember which site it was) was someone saying "don't bother flushing - a good cure will take care of anything taste related".
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Personally i think the ticket is to avoid ammoniac or urea sources of nitrogen for the last few weeks ... these are the only nutes of which I know they can be "stored". These are also likely behind the story that overfed bud burns black and crackly. The cure reduces sugars, which are in fact the principal sources of young-bud harshness. I personally doubt that chlorophyll is a significant component of even the greenest weed ... its color strength is such that micrograms will color that bag. Where chlorophyll may be of interest is as a proportional readout of the N content of the bud ... but my reading on this topic is bedeviled by the utter unsuitability of Google for sifting signal from noise. cn
 
jonblaze420

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I've had experiences growing and flushing the last 10 days with just plain water and maybe some molasses the 2nd last watering, and no experiences with using nutrients until the end.

I don't want to fuck up the taste of like an ounce 1/2 of my harvest by experimenting with using nutes up till the end with one plant, just to see, why would I?
 
eye exaggerate

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cannabineer said:
Personally i think the ticket is to avoid ammoniac or urea sources of nitrogen for the last few weeks ... these are the only nutes of which I know they can be "stored". These are also likely behind the story that overfed bud burns black and crackly. The cure reduces sugars, which are in fact the principal sources of young-bud harshness. I personally doubt that chlorophyll is a significant component of even the greenest weed ... its color strength is such that micrograms will color that bag. Where chlorophyll may be of interest is as a proportional readout of the N content of the bud ... but my reading on this topic is bedeviled by the utter unsuitability of Google for sifting signal from noise. cn
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...merci!

...see my avatar in a minute or so :lol:

*I'll take it down in a bit.
 
woodsmaneh!

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It's what people don't know that can be the problem when flushing. For example, there are elements that need other elements to have mobility with in the plant. So if you flush with water the first to go is nitrogen, when all the n is gone p and M are locked up and can't move. Ever smoke pot that pops and sparks? So if you just have to flush always use 25% recommended nutrients so you get all the elements out and have a balanced flush. The companies that make your food are making millions by keeping this flush crap on going. There is not one large scale or small scale commercial hydroponics grower that flushes, if you ask them they would laugh at you.
 
jonblaze420

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woodsmaneh! said:
It's what people don't know that can be the problem when flushing. For example, there are elements that need other elements to have mobility with in the plant. So if you flush with water the first to go is nitrogen, when all the n is gone p and M are locked up and can't move. Ever smoke pot that pops and sparks? So if you just have to flush always use 25% recommended nutrients so you get all the elements out and have a balanced flush. The companies that make your food are making millions by keeping this flush crap on going. There is not one large scale or small scale commercial hydroponics grower that flushes, if you ask them they would laugh at you.
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I don't grow hydroponically, I grow in soil. Does this change anything?

Also: So you think I should just give a little bit of nutrients at the end?
 
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