Bernie Sanders another phony

Rob Roy

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Article by Will Tippens

I get why people like Bernie Sanders.

He seems like a genuine person. Most of his funding comes from grassroots donors and he has a mostly-deserved outsider status. He’s honest about his political beliefs, and isn’t afraid to call himself a socialist. He has all the rancorous charm of Peter Finch in the 1976 film, Network:

He’s mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore!

There’s only one problem: he really wants to start a revolution, but forgot to bring any revolutionary ideas to the rally. His policy prescriptions–far from fresh, radical, or different–have long comprised the political status quo in Washington. While it’s true he often diagnoses real issues, he almost always suggests solutions that are a contributing or root cause of the problems in the first place.

He rightly sees student loan debt as an issue, yet he wants to flood the market with even more worthless college degrees by making public colleges “free”, ignoring the existing Federal loan subsidies and their market distortions. He rightly sees Wall Street and bank bailouts as a symptom of cronyism, yet flip-flopped away from supporting a bill to audit the Federal Reserve. He rightly sees unemployment as an issue, yet he is crusading for a $15 minimum wage which would create mandatory unemployment for perhaps millions of unskilled workers. He rightly calls out Big Pharma, insisting they have also fallen victim to the regulatory capture of Washington lobbyists, yet offers the solution of…even more regulations.

Bernie Sanders is the type of man who can point out specific grants of government privilege to private companies, then turn around and say “Unfettered free trade has been a disaster for the American people” without a hint of irony. All too often the “cure” to any given issue is to intensify the disease. After fifty years and $20,000,000,000,000 spent waging the War on Poverty without any appreciable alleviation of poverty, Bernie’s solution is riveting: spendmore money on the same old programs.

Unsurprisingly, Bernie has made it exceedingly apparent that he does not understand even the most basic economic concepts, immortalized in his quote, “You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country.” Due to his inability to understand how humans acting freely produce wealth, he views the individuals who make up the economy as an entity that should (and can) be nationalized and managed like a business, mercantilism and all.

Foreign policy is supposed to be one of Bernie’s saving points, clearly holding an edge over his main (read: bloodthirsty) competition. Although he often boasts that he voted against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, he forgets to mention that he voted to continue funding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He also supported NATO’s bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999 and more recently supported a $1 billion aid package to the Ukrainian rebels as well as air raids in Syria. Oh, and he also said he would continue drone policies similar to Obama’s and has repeatedly supported Israeli occupation and bombing of Palestine.

On other issues, he is troublingly conservative. He would not pardon Edward Snowden and instead thinks he should face trial. He is staunchly closed border, calling open borders a “Koch brothers proposal”. He wants to legalize pot but voted to illegalize Internet gambling, demonstrating a lack of commitment to personal freedoms.
He even has a “serious problem” with Uber and presumably the broader peer-to-peer economy. Perhaps nothing sums up Bernie’s view of government and economics more than his support for Vermont’s F-35 fighter jet contract, the world’s most expensive weapons program at $1,400,000,000,000, simply because it was to be manufactured in his home state. More of that “unfettered capitalism”.

Despite all this, I can still see why people like Bernie as a person. He seems like someone whoactually cares instead of just saying he does. He once was a radical, someone who fought for abolishing mandatory schooling and legalizing all drugs. This alone is such a rare quality that it (almost) merits admiration.

However, the Bernie Sanders of today is just a politician who very much wants the government to intervene more and not less in our lives, which has been the prevailing attitude of every major politician of the past hundred years. For all of his peevishness towards today’s very real problems, his solution is always more of what we already have–a bloated, imperious central authority intervening in all walks of life. Bernie Sanders and his ideas are not revolutionary in any way, he is simply another flavor of authoritarian who believes he has the right to use coercion to achieve whatever ends he sees fit, and nothing more.

But hey, at least he’s not Hillary Clinton.

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So who still thinks Bernie would change anything for the better?
 
Maybe he'd try to do the right thing for a change. The last half dozen were bought and sold before they got there. Get the big money the fuck out of politics before foreign goverments start trying to swing elections...can you ID the sources of some of these super pacs? Cayman island banks? Putin? Saudi Arabia? You don't really know...do you?
 
"He rightly sees Wall Street and bank bailouts as a symptom of cronyism, yet flip-flopped away from supporting a bill to audit the Federal Reserve."

"The Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009 (H.R. 1207) was a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives of the 111th United States Congress by Congressman Ron Paul (TX-14). It proposed a reformed audit of the Federal Reserve System (the "Fed") before the end of 2010. The bill had 319 cosponsors, and was referred to the Committee on Financial Services. Its Senate version, introduced by Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind.-VT), was called the Federal Reserve Sunshine Act of 2009 (S. 604), and it had 32 cosponsors. A related bill used the same two names in reverse order. An amendment with similar provisions was added to the Federal Stability Improvement Act (H.R. 3996) by the House Committee on Financial Services in November 2009.

The bill was reintroduced in the House by Ron Paul, and in the Senate by his son Rand Paul (R-KY), during the 112th United States Congress as H.R. 459 and S. 202. On July 25, 2012 the House bill was passed 327 to 98."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Transparency_Act

"He rightly sees unemployment as an issue, yet he is crusading for a $15 minimum wage which would create mandatory unemployment for perhaps millions of unskilled workers."

"Numerous states raised their minimum wages higher than the federal level during the 1997-2007 period the federal minimum wage remained stuck at $5.15. Research by the Fiscal Policy Institute and others showed that states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level experienced better employment and small business trends than states that did not."

http://www.businessforafairminimumw...-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss

"Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
http://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-statement/

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Minimum wage has increased since 1960, the rate of unemployment has fluctuated, conclusion; there is no correlation between the unemployment rate and the minimum wage. If there were a correlation, both graphs would be much more similar

"He rightly calls out Big Pharma, insisting they have also fallen victim to the regulatory capture of Washington lobbyists, yet offers the solution of…even more regulations."

Can you quote Sanders on this? His stance is not that there is "too much regulation" in the pharmaceutical industry

"Although he often boasts that he voted against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, he forgets to mention that he voted to continue funding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."

Anyone who doesn't understand this is ignorant of politics. Sanders voted to fund the war because he would be painted as an opponent of the troops, as everyone else who voted not to fund it was, not to mention voting to not fund the war doesn't end the war, it just adds more to the deficit when an extremist president and his administration has ambition to fight it anyway, regardless of any other information.


That's about all the time I'll be wasting on that trash
 
"He rightly sees Wall Street and bank bailouts as a symptom of cronyism, yet flip-flopped away from supporting a bill to audit the Federal Reserve."

"The Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009 (H.R. 1207) was a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives of the 111th United States Congress by Congressman Ron Paul (TX-14). It proposed a reformed audit of the Federal Reserve System (the "Fed") before the end of 2010. The bill had 319 cosponsors, and was referred to the Committee on Financial Services. Its Senate version, introduced by Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind.-VT), was called the Federal Reserve Sunshine Act of 2009 (S. 604), and it had 32 cosponsors. A related bill used the same two names in reverse order. An amendment with similar provisions was added to the Federal Stability Improvement Act (H.R. 3996) by the House Committee on Financial Services in November 2009.

The bill was reintroduced in the House by Ron Paul, and in the Senate by his son Rand Paul (R-KY), during the 112th United States Congress as H.R. 459 and S. 202. On July 25, 2012 the House bill was passed 327 to 98."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Transparency_Act

"He rightly sees unemployment as an issue, yet he is crusading for a $15 minimum wage which would create mandatory unemployment for perhaps millions of unskilled workers."

"Numerous states raised their minimum wages higher than the federal level during the 1997-2007 period the federal minimum wage remained stuck at $5.15. Research by the Fiscal Policy Institute and others showed that states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level experienced better employment and small business trends than states that did not."

http://www.businessforafairminimumw...-minimum-wage-increases-do-not-cause-job-loss

"Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: In a letter to President Obama and congressional leaders urging a minimum wage increase, more than 600 economists, including 7 Nobel Prize winners wrote, "In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front."

http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
http://www.epi.org/minimum-wage-statement/

0vBMZn8.png


Minimum wage has increased since 1960, the rate of unemployment has fluctuated, conclusion; there is no correlation between the unemployment rate and the minimum wage. If there were a correlation, both graphs would be much more similar

"He rightly calls out Big Pharma, insisting they have also fallen victim to the regulatory capture of Washington lobbyists, yet offers the solution of…even more regulations."

Can you quote Sanders on this? His stance is not that there is "too much regulation" in the pharmaceutical industry

"Although he often boasts that he voted against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, he forgets to mention that he voted to continue funding the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."

Anyone who doesn't understand this is ignorant of politics. Sanders voted to fund the war because he would be painted as an opponent of the troops, as everyone else who voted not to fund it was, not to mention voting to not fund the war doesn't end the war, it just adds more to the deficit when an extremist president and his administration has ambition to fight it anyway, regardless of any other information.

That's about all the time I'll be wasting on that trash

 
I hate to tell you this...but nobody reads these copy and pastes...

most people don't buy into the rich getting richer...

have a nice "too far to the right" day now...
 
Maybe he'd try to do the right thing for a change. The last half dozen were bought and sold before they got there. Get the big money the fuck out of politics before foreign goverments start trying to swing elections...can you ID the sources of some of these super pacs? Cayman island banks? Putin? Saudi Arabia? You don't really know...do you?

Foreign couentries TRYING to sway elections with money?
 
Actually, I read it in it's entirety. Why do you smoke weed if you don't like to think. Focus man.
I smoke weed to not think about bullshit abstractions to the real problem of the human race. And that is the problem is not a political one. Politics
is a symptom of a world gone crazy. And one could spend thier whole life or one minute stuck in the illusion of seperateness called politics. It is a lack of Spirit that is the problem. Marijuana helps to remind me of that.
 
I smoke weed to not think about bullshit abstractions to the real problem of the human race. And that is the problem is not a political one. Politics
is a symptom of a world gone crazy. And one could spend thier whole life or one minute stuck in the illusion of seperateness called politics. It is a lack of Spirit that is the problem. Marijuana helps to remind me of that.

Love it.
 
I smoke weed to not think about bullshit abstractions to the real problem of the human race. And that is the problem is not a political one. Politics
is a symptom of a world gone crazy. And one could spend thier whole life or one minute stuck in the illusion of seperateness called politics. It is a lack of Spirit that is the problem. Marijuana helps to remind me of that.
What does "spirit" mean?
 
I hate to tell you this...but nobody reads these copy and pastes...

most people don't buy into the rich getting richer...

have a nice "too far to the right" day now...

I'm not a fan of coercion based politics. All human interactions should be on a voluntary basis and all people have the right to be left alone. When politics can protect those things, I'll be interested, until then...

I'll be voting for Vermin Supreme (again).

You have a nice day too.
 
Bernie seems like a genuine guy. He is 70+ years old and a socialist. That argues that his brain is sub par.

Hillary is a vipor, and anti-genuine. She is nearly 70, and as corrupt as a moldy mushroom. Her brain seems to be top-shelf, but that is little comfort as she destroys America.

Incompetence or corruption. That is a pretty dismal choice, but Democrats love 'em both.
 
Bernie seems like a genuine guy. He is 70+ years old and a socialist. That argues that his brain is sub par.

Hillary is a vipor, and anti-genuine. She is nearly 70, and as corrupt as a moldy mushroom. Her brain seems to be top-shelf, but that is little comfort as she destroys America.

Incompetence or corruption. That is a pretty dismal choice, but Democrats love 'em both.

LOL. How old is your front runner Trump?

You guys better pray for a low turn out...we both know it's your only hope...
 
I cant believe people are even considering Trump as a candidate for the Presidency. Wow. Hes a dildo. The entire Republican Party is in shambles and is one big jerry springer episode. And the Democrats are not far behind. Sadly its a shoo in for Hillary and her camp. If you thinks she has your best interests in mind you deserve what you get. If Tump gets the nomination then Hillary Rodham Clinton will be our next President. Theres no way voters are staying home if dildo breath gets the republican nomination. And Clinton will win. God help us all.
 
I cant believe people are even considering Trump as a candidate for the Presidency. Wow. Hes a dildo. The entire Republican Party is in shambles and is one big jerry springer episode. And the Democrats are not far behind. Sadly its a shoo in for Hillary and her camp. If you thinks she has your best interests in mind you deserve what you get. If Tump gets the nomination then Hillary Rodham Clinton will be our next President. Theres no way voters are staying home if dildo breath gets the republican nomination. And Clinton will win. God help us all.
Voting selection these days is the lesser of 2 evils. And the president is not empowered like a king...more like a hood ornament on an old Packard.
 
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