BHO: Appropriate Containers and Butane

VoidObject

VoidObject

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Was hoping to get some pros in here to let me know what kind of materials are cool to use as a container and also the appropriate type of butane.

The answer I'm looking for doesn't involve welding or drilling.. something simple would be nice.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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A pressure extractor I made to extract shake using liquefied gases. R-134a works a treat.
The ball valve to the gauge protects it during evacuation. cn
 
Finshaggy

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Turkey baster on Amazon works really well I heard.
And it's only like $7.
Look at what they buy most with it. LOL
 
VoidObject

VoidObject

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Whoa CN that looks hard to make man and I don't have any kind of plumbing knowledge..

Maybe you'd write up a tutorial eh?
 
VoidObject

VoidObject

DWC/Bubbleponics Mod
Yeah F'in do you know what type of plastics make for good extractors?

Also brands of butane or what do you look for there?
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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Gas Mixtures:

Colibri > Vector >Power

Coibri is the most pure in terms of n-butane %. Vector after that, and Power is low grade Vector. Never use Ronsin or other cheap gases as they are not scent-free (aka added toxins).

You can always do a mirror test, meaning spray a few seconds of gas on a mirror. Every canned gas mixture (intended use as lighter refill) leaves a residue on the mirror, mostly made of paraffin waxes that are added to the gas mixtures to keep the torches lubricated internally. The only pure gas (no paraffin wax added and acutally 100% butane) is n-butane from AirGas, but you have to make sure to get the unscented kind. Many gas mixtures have scent added for safety, called mercaptans, they smell like sulfur usually.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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VoidObject said:
Yeah F'in do you know what type of plastics make for good extractors?

Also brands of butane or what do you look for there?
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ABS plastic.
But I'd go with something else, for a long term BHO extractor.
BernzOmatic Butane is cheap, and has a good notch at the top.
 
Matt Rize

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Finshaggy said:
ABS plastic.
But I'd go with something else, for a long term BHO extractor.
BernzOmatic Butane is cheap, and has a good notch at the top.
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BernzOmatic is very low quality. Do a mirror test.

Also, there is not a lab in the world that uses liquid butane and plastic. Stainless steel tubes cost $7.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Matt Rize said:
... there is not a lab in the world that uses liquid butane and plastic. Stainless steel tubes cost $7.
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Labs use stainless because they can get it. If you know where I can get stainless in NPT thread sizes for prices in the $7.- range ... I'm paying total attention.
Plastics aren't ideal, but butane is such a nonaggressive solvent that many plastics (especially nylon and polycarbonate) are OK choices imo. Bad plastic choices would include the polyolefins (permeable) and anything plasticized, like flexible vinyl. cn
 
mindphuk

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Matt Rize said:
Gas Mixtures:

Colibri > Vector >Power

Coibri is the most pure in terms of n-butane %. Vector after that, and Power is low grade Vector. Never use Ronsin or other cheap gases as they are not scent-free (aka added toxins).

You can always do a mirror test, meaning spray a few seconds of gas on a mirror. Every canned gas mixture (intended use as lighter refill) leaves a residue on the mirror, mostly made of paraffin waxes that are added to the gas mixtures to keep the torches lubricated internally. The only pure gas (no paraffin wax added and acutally 100% butane) is n-butane from AirGas, but you have to make sure to get the unscented kind. Many gas mixtures have scent added for safety, called mercaptans, they smell like sulfur usually.
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Vector 5x refined is cleaner than Colibri triple filtered.
 
Matt Rize

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mindphuk said:
Vector 5x refined is cleaner than Colibri triple filtered.
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Why would you say that? From what I can tell Colibri is a higher % of n-butane, and only has one other gas in the mix, propane. While Vector has three gases and a lower % of n-butane. The cost also indicates quality.

Vector MSDS
http://www.vectorkgm.com/catalog/butane/Vector_Gas_MSDS.pdf

and

Colibri MSDS
http://www.gcelectronics.com/order/msds/224.pdf

Have you mirror tested both? I find Coilbri has less parrafin wax.

Triple filters, 5X, that is all marketing garbage and means nothing. The type of filter is what matters, not how many times you run thru it. Compare an RO filter to a triple carbon and you start to see what I mean about not all filters being equal.
 
Matt Rize

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if you understand chemisty this is all the proof you need that Colibri is a better gas mix than Vector:

Vector boiling point: 31.1 Degree Fahrenheit

Colibri boiling point: -11 Degree Celcius (aka 12 Degrees Farenheit)

The lower BP in Colibri is due to being more "pure" of a solvent, from the higher % of n-butane. All data from those MSDS
 
mindphuk

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So examining the MSDS sheets, Colibri has 78% butane in the form of iso-butane and n-butane and 22% propane.

Vector has 89% butane and 11% propane.

I'm not sure why you're confused.
 
mindphuk

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Matt Rize said:
if you understand chemisty this is all the proof you need that Colibri is a better gas mix than Vector:

Vector boiling point: 31.1 Degree Fahrenheit

Colibri boiling point: -11 Degree Celcius (aka 12 Degrees Farenheit)

The lower BP in Colibri is due to being more "pure" of a solvent, from the higher % of n-butane. All data from those MSDS
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n-butane BP= -0.5 deg C, Propane BP = -22 deg C. I think the higher BP of Vector is much closer to that of pure n-butane.
 
Matt Rize

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mindphuk said:
So examining the MSDS sheets, Colibri has 78% butane in the form of iso-butane and n-butane and 22% propane.

Vector has 89% butane and 11% propane.

I'm not sure why you're confused.
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Where did you get those #s? Oh you are adding iso and n-butane, calling it n-butane. right? Technically the colibri is higher % n-butane.

SECTION II- Summary of Hazards & Composition
Butane Percent: 60.00 106-87-8 Synonyms: n-Butane, Tetrane
iso-Butane Percent: 29.00 75-28-5 Synonyms: 2-Methylpropane, Trlmethylethane
Propane Percent: 11.00
 
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