Blue veg light not all that

bryan oconner

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for veg . this info above has no data on light spectrums what the plants sees even the back of the bulb box shows this . . article actually steers in 2 different directions saying par is better then looms . but they say looms are the most valuable factor . I wonder if the kids that wrote this article did any tests at all no data no charts no pictures nothing ! we all can do our own test . 2 different rooms 2 different bulbs and watch the winner . my results were the hortilux 7200 k blue best bulb I have ever uses very fast growth . I used the hps before was not impressed . but works . thanks for posting the post almost was some good info .
 

Flowki

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Full spectrum has always been better than just mh or hps on their own.
The article is not givings links for fact but it does suggest the opposite of what I've read here on riu and other sources, all saying that blue MH is better than dual spec-hps for veg. If he did use uni research it at-least holds more water over growers who often don't have ''equal'' enough testing to conclude one is better than the other. Theirs also the element of commitment, after investing a lot of money into one particular setup (not just in this comparison case) people appear to swear blindly their option is the best option, rather than risking the notion they may have wasted money.

Anyway knowing the article could not be taken as fact I was interested to hear other views that could confirm or deny it through discussion. Any links either way would be great, too.

for veg . this info above has no data on light spectrums what the plants sees even the back of the bulb box shows this . . article actually steers in 2 different directions saying par is better then looms . but they say looms are the most valuable factor . I wonder if the kids that wrote this article did any tests at all no data no charts no pictures nothing ! we all can do our own test . 2 different rooms 2 different bulbs and watch the winner . my results were the hortilux 7200 k blue best bulb I have ever uses very fast growth . I used the hps before was not impressed . but works . thanks for posting the post almost was some good info .
A poster on riu stated over 5k is a waste in veg. I'm not saying he is right and you are wrong, but what is your opinion on that?.

Perhaps knowing the specific end goal changes things. If bigger plants with thicker stems = more end yield then what is best light choice to achieve that growth in veg. I've seen plants that were big... but highly stretched with weak thin stems.
 
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Kingrow1

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for veg . this info above has no data on light spectrums what the plants sees even the back of the bulb box shows this . . article actually steers in 2 different directions saying par is better then looms . but they say looms are the most valuable factor . I wonder if the kids that wrote this article did any tests at all no data no charts no pictures nothing ! we all can do our own test . 2 different rooms 2 different bulbs and watch the winner . my results were the hortilux 7200 k blue best bulb I have ever uses very fast growth . I used the hps before was not impressed . but works . thanks for posting the post almost was some good info .
Par is better than lumens but lumens are the most valuable factor, studies show that enough green light will grow a plant so although par is important ultimatley if you have enough lumens par isnt as relevant, quantity can be much better than quality if you have enough lumens.

Obviously this isnt taking into account the complex photoreceptors like phytochomes etc etc and what they may add to the light response.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytochrome
 
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Kingrow1

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The article is not givings links for fact but it does suggest the opposite of what I've read here on riu and other sources, all saying that blue MH is better than dual spec-hps for veg. If he did use uni research it at-least holds more water over growers who often don't have ''equal'' enough testing to conclude one is better than the other. Theirs also the element of commitment, after investing a lot of money into one particular setup (not just in this comparison case) people appear to swear blindly their option is the best option, rather than risking the notion they may have wasted money.

Anyway knowing the article could not be taken as fact I was interested to hear other views that could confirm or deny it through discussion. Any links either way would be great, too.



A poster on riu stated over 5k is a waste in veg. I'm not saying he is right and you are wrong, but what is your opinion on that?.

Perhaps knowing the specific end goal changes things. If bigger plants with thicker stems = more end yield then what is best light choice to achieve that growth in veg. I've seen plants that were big... but highly stretched with weak thin stems.
T5 full spectrum growers will testify that having red and blue is better than either on their own. The sun is full spectrum veg or flower outdoors. Dual spec hps still seems very weak with blue light, more of a recent addition in my eyes.
 
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bryan oconner

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lot of opinions about best veg lights . hey kingrow .I played around with those t5 I keep my mothers under them not in a rush to get them to grow . I used to use the 6500k and one day I said what the hell threw in some 10000k t5 bulbs and I was overly impressed with them . the plants are standing and leaves are pointing at the bulbs like they do out doors they love the 10k bulbs.. plants never did this under the 6500k . actually grow a lot more fast then the 6500k . I also have experience with the 2700k t5 and failed my test boring dark looking . I don't have any data just know what I have seen in my rooms . the 10k bulbs I use were from htg and the color is not purple its actually a really dark blue it compares to out door light color to my eyes . for stronger stems I would say the t5 for bigger stems because the plants grow a lot more slowly then mh .
 

Kingrow1

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lot of opinions about best veg lights . hey kingrow .I played around with those t5 I keep my mothers under them not in a rush to get them to grow . I used to use the 6500k and one day I said what the hell threw in some 10000k t5 bulbs and I was overly impressed with them . the plants are standing and leaves are pointing at the bulbs like they do out doors they love the 10k bulbs.. plants never did this under the 6500k . actually grow a lot more fast then the 6500k . I also have experience with the 2700k t5 and failed my test boring dark looking . I don't have any data just know what I have seen in my rooms . the 10k bulbs I use were from htg and the color is not purple its actually a really dark blue it compares to out door light color to my eyes . for stronger stems I would say the t5 for bigger stems because the plants grow a lot more slowly then mh .
Most 10000k bulbs i see are super blue marine/coral tank bulbs. Fish and coral tank hobbyists have a wider selection of bulbs and kelvin ratings than plant growers and right up to 24000k. I generally use a fish bulb company 'Arcadia Aquatics' than a plant grow company for my t5's as i find they make a much better bulb and 2500k/6500k spectrum, the cheaper plant gro t5's just dont compare but at four times the cost they arent cheap.

Im not sure if long term your gonna find the 10000k bulbs betrer than the 6500k bulbs but i have never tried 10000k's yet. Leaves reaching and pointing up is always somthing i try not to let happen, i want my leaves flat and level to absorb the maximun light, if they need more they will grow bigger and not point upwards so to say as that is where the chlorophyl is most exsposed to the light.

I guess the beauty of t5's is that its easy to customise what spectrum/spectrums you give your plants.
 

althor

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My best friend started out with only HPS bulbs and the differences in veg were pretty amazing...

Plants growing under HPS bulbs in veg generally long and stretchy with huge gaps between nodes.
Once he got a MH bulb, the difference was literally night and day. I would never use HPS in veg. I have seen it with my own eyes.
 

bryan oconner

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ok then want the perfect t5 veg light put the 2700k and 6500 and 10000 k . in the same fixture. plants will have every spectrum they are asking for .
 

Flowki

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My best friend started out with only HPS bulbs and the differences in veg were pretty amazing...

Plants growing under HPS bulbs in veg generally long and stretchy with huge gaps between nodes.
Once he got a MH bulb, the difference was literally night and day. I would never use HPS in veg. I have seen it with my own eyes.
Unless he uses the mh during bloom stretch isn't he going to get it anyway?. I do wonder on the concept of hps veg creating a leaf structure ''optimized'' for hps bloom. I read a lot of things on the leaves creating different size and chloro ratios and so forth depending on the light type and intensity.
 

Bill Lidgate

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My best friend started out with only HPS bulbs and the differences in veg were pretty amazing...

Plants growing under HPS bulbs in veg generally long and stretchy with huge gaps between nodes.
Once he got a MH bulb, the difference was literally night and day. I would never use HPS in veg. I have seen it with my own eyes.
yah internodal distance needs BLUE to be small, some like lanky but shorter bushy plants are often just the ticket. A Hg vapor plus HPS could probably help with the lanky veg.
 

Kingrow1

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ok then want the perfect t5 veg light put the 2700k and 6500 and 10000 k . in the same fixture. plants will have every spectrum they are asking for .
Make all that from Arcadia aquatics and throw in their plant pro and i think your a lot closer to full spectrum and pleasing colour to the eye, hopefully more white overall and plants wont know what hit them.
 

bryan oconner

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Make all that from Arcadia aquatics and throw in their plant pro and i think your a lot closer to full spectrum and pleasing colour to the eye, hopefully more white overall and plants wont know what hit them.
for shit and giggles I will hit my local fish store check out the bulbs . the quality looks so much higher and all the specks are there . sounds like another test . thanks (KINGROW1)
 

Kingrow1

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for shit and giggles I will hit my local fish store check out the bulbs . the quality looks so much higher and all the specks are there . sounds like another test . thanks (KINGROW1)

I can only recomend two or three companies, this is arcadias basic range and others will have a few suggestions. Not a cheap route to go though, i use sylvanias luxline plus t5's when im on a budget except their grolux which i dont like.

http://www.arcadia-aquatic.com/fluorescent-lamps-guide/
 

St1kybudz

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This thread should dissappear rofl of course a double ended hps is gonna be more powerful than a standard hps or mh but they are far from the most efficient lights on the market if you would like to argue with one further look into spyder 1200 vs duel ended hps on youtube flower weight was less with spyder 1200 but they had I higher gram per watt ratio
(Suckle that scrub)
 
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