Buds lacking density

papa canna · Apr 28, 2016

How do you get denser buds? I'm On my third harvest but I'm still lacking the density that I would like. Buds look pretty decent on harvest day (until I get to the bottom of the plant, I need to do more pruning next time) but after about a 4 day hang dry, they look a lot less dense

Specs:

600w mh/hps
Adjust a wing open reflector
Gh maxi series
Botanicaire call at
Gh root enhancer
4x4-5x5 space pending spacing
70-77 degrees
9 plants in fabric pots

budman111 · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
How do you get denser buds?

With better airflow.

astronautrob · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
Specs:

600w mh/hps
Adjust a wing open reflector
Gh maxi series
Botanicaire call at
Gh root enhancer
4x4-5x5 space pending spacing
70-77 degrees
9 plants in fabric pots

What does that mean? Airflow would be good like budman mentioned, and I'd also consider your lighting/plant count situation. If it is a 5x5 you're a under what you want on your watts per sqft, even 4x4 is pushing it, and you're growing 9 plants under the one light. How big are the plants? Scorg? I'd consider less plants or a bigger light imo

chea.pet · Apr 28, 2016

Yeah I would suggest a bigger light as well I grow 6 plants under each 1,000 watt sodium. Not saying that's perfect but even after defoliation I still have smaller buds on the bottom canopy

papa canna · Apr 28, 2016

chea.pet said:
Yeah I would suggest a bigger light as well I grow 6 plants under each 1,000 watt sodium. Not saying that's perfect but even after defoliation I still have smaller buds on the bottom canopy

I was considering 6 plants as well. I think its partly because I did very little training so they pretty much grow straight up.

astronautrob said:
What does that mean? Airflow would be good like budman mentioned, and I'd also consider your lighting/plant count situation. If it is a 5x5 you're a under what you want on your watts per sqft, even 4x4 is pushing it, and you're growing 9 plants under the one light. How big are the plants? Scorg? I'd consider less plants or a bigger light imo

I have a couple shortys on top of crates at about 3 ft. A few average 5 footers. And a haze that stretched higher that I did a late super crop on.

ToneOZ · Apr 28, 2016

What kind of bulb?

Bdoggg · Apr 28, 2016

Better genetics and more light!!

cat of curiosity · Apr 28, 2016

more potassium

papa canna · Apr 28, 2016

ToneOZ said:
What kind of bulb?

Hortilux 600 watt my and hps

Bdoggg said:
Better genetics and more light!!

Genetics are top quality. I have a friend who clones and his finished product is the best I've seen. I often read that 600w users should be able to pull a pound without issue. I may get a half pound after this is said and done

cat of curiosity said:
more potassium

Are you saying the maxi series is lacking k?

Chunky Stool · Apr 28, 2016

I run a 5x5 with 9 plants under a 600 watt HPS + 3 side panels & 4 lizard lights. Colas turn out big & firm.
How close do you keep the HPS to the canopy? I've got a clip fan mounted on the adjust-a-wing that blows heat off the bulb. Because of this, I am never farther than 18" from bud tips.

cat of curiosity · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
Hortilux 600 watt my and hps

Genetics are top quality. I have a friend who clones and his finished product is the best I've seen. I often read that 600w users should be able to pull a pound without issue. I may get a half pound after this is said and done

Are you saying the maxi series is lacking k?

yes. use a high k bloom booster in addition to nutes.

astronautrob · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
I have a couple shortys on top of crates at about 3 ft. A few average 5 footers. And a haze that stretched higher that I did a late super crop on.

Gotcha, I bet if you just decreased your plant count to 6 you'd see a good boost in your bud density imo

astronautrob · Apr 28, 2016

Also, I'd say your dry is a little quick at only 4 days. I'd try to up the RH and push that to 6-7 day dry if I could

GroErr · Apr 28, 2016

Setup seems alright, how often are you changing bulbs, that can make a difference. I've had phenos from same batch of seeds where one is super dense and other are fluffy, grown under the same lights and conditions side-by-side. You may need to do some more pheno hunting and clone the better plants?

papa canna · Apr 28, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
I run a 5x5 with 9 plants under a 600 watt HPS + 3 side panels & 4 lizard lights. Colas turn out big & firm.
How close do you keep the HPS to the canopy? I've got a clip fan mounted on the adjust-a-wing that blows heat off the bulb. Because of this, I am never farther than 18" from bud tips.

About 18"

astronautrob said:
Gotcha, I bet if you just decreased your plant count to 6 you'd see a good boost in your bud density imo

But will that make up for having 3 less plants of bud?

astronautrob said:
Also, I'd say your dry is a little quick at only 4 days. I'd try to up the RH and push that to 6-7 day dry if I could

I could try. But too much humidity could cause mold. Remember these buds are fairly airy so they will dry quicker

GroErr said:
Setup seems alright, how often are you changing bulbs, that can make a difference. I've had phenos from same batch of seeds where one is super dense and other are fluffy, grown under the same lights and conditions side-by-side. You may need to do some more phenol hunting and clone the better plants?

I do need to change the bulb. Mine is about a year old. On its last leg

astronautrob · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
But will that make up for having 3 less plants of bud?

No one can answer that question really as your yield is not solely dependent on one factor or the other as it is a whole spectrum of factors. imo you have two choices, decrease plant count or buy/supply more light. one option entails spending $$, one doesn't

astronautrob · Apr 28, 2016

papa canna said:
I could try. But too much humidity could cause mold. Remember these buds are fairly airy so they will dry quicker

If you're hang drying with the buds not touching each other it's very doubtful you will get mold at that point. ime I've never had a problem with hang drying 6-7 days while maintaining an RH of 50-60% in the space but just my experience

bryan oconner · Apr 28, 2016

you can not make those fluffy loose disappointing buds are tighter . if your using mh or hps they are as tight as they get . the genetics plays the role in this . I have experience with a shit load of different strands . some just grow loose . and keep in mind you must hand trim loose and just because its loose does not mean it is not a good smoke .

Chunky Stool · Apr 28, 2016

bryan oconner said:
you can not make those fluffy loose disappointing buds are tighter . if your using mh or hps they are as tight as they get . the genetics plays the role in this . I have experience with a shit load of different strands . some just grow loose . and keep in mind you must hand trim loose and just because its loose does not mean it is not a good smoke .

Fluffy buds cure better if they're left on the plant. I only trim colas & chunks. "Butter bud" stays put & I just hang what's left of the carcass.

papa canna · Apr 28, 2016

bryan oconner said:
you can not make those fluffy loose disappointing buds are tighter . if your using mh or hps they are as tight as they get . the genetics plays the role in this . I have experience with a shit load of different strands . some just grow loose . and keep in mind you must hand trim loose and just because its loose does not mean it is not a good smoke .

It is decent smoke. But the guy I get my clones from brings over his finished stuff of the exact same strain from clone, and its just so different. Tighter, denser, like small rocks.

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