Clone problem

diablo42

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Using Miracle grow @ 800ppm with hard water (400ppm from start) ph pen broke recently and gotta get a new one.
 

Aqua Man

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Yeah i agree nute buun. That ppm in the source water is going to be an issue while a lot of it is likely calcium carbonate i'm sure a good chunk will be sodium also.
 

Aqua Man

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K I’m gonna switch water source to something low in ppm and see if that helps
Also stop the nutrients for a bit. A flush with PH and temp adjusted water should help but not that 400ppm tap, preferably RO with 100-150 ppm of cal mag. Flush about 2 times the volume of that pot through. What soil is that? It will determine if you even need nutrients at all
 

diablo42

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Also stop the nutrients for a bit. A flush with PH and temp adjusted water should help but not that 400ppm tap, preferably RO with 100-150 ppm of cal mag. Flush about 2 times the volume of that pot through. What soil is that? It will determine if you even need nutrients at all
Its peat (60%)perlite(20%)and compost(20%).
 

diablo42

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Did you slurry test that mix? That PH mat be a bit low and some lime might benefit you. That compost is enough that you should water only
Never tested the mix, will water with regular water for a bit, also they have just been in regular light bulb light for a week while I construct a grow room
 

Aqua Man

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Never tested the mix, will water with regular water for a bit, also they have just been in regular light bulb light for a week while I construct a grow room
That's probably a good thing light drives growth so slowing it at this point will benefit you until they recover... if you get them to. Also a bit high humidity like 65-70% while they recover will ease the stress on the roots and slow nutrient uptake
 

ColoradoHighGrower

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Have you checked for or otherwise confirmed roots ever formed? It could have never rooted and is just sitting in the soil slowly eating itself from the bottom up.

Did you use a rooting hormone like clonex? You could try gently pulling the whole dirt ball out of the cup and very carefully removing most of the soil from around the roots and transplanting it to a different medium with less or no fertilizer like a coco/peat mixture (if you discover a root system actually formed). That said, it is a pretty large cutting to try to clone in the first place, and the base stalk that you cut/inserted into the soil could be undesireably large/woody/tough which makes successful cloning much more difficult. Most people have better success taking much smaller cuttings from the very top of branches of the mother (only one tip each cutting). You could try taking a few of the healthier upper branches off (each with only about 2-3 nodes/leaf sets) and try to clone those too. That could be risky at this point though, as it is already pretty stressed, but probably worth a shot since it's not looking good...
 

ColoradoHighGrower

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Also, like @Aqua Man said, keep your humidity super high, like 75% or higher for first ~1-2 weeks after cloning. I use humididomes and spray to keep the inside of the lid covered with mist and then slowly lower the humidity back down to normal veg levels after that. Low light like some t5s or even some household cfls is good enough (dont want your babies to get sunburned!)
 

diablo42

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Have you checked for or otherwise confirmed roots ever formed? It could have never rooted and is just sitting in the soil slowly eating itself from the bottom up.

Did you use a rooting hormone like clonex? You could try gently pulling the whole dirt ball out of the cup and very carefully removing most of the soil from around the roots and transplanting it to a different medium with less or no fertilizer like a coco/peat mixture (if you discover a root system actually formed). That said, it is a pretty large cutting to try to clone in the first place, and the base stalk that you cut/inserted into the soil could be undesireably large/woody/tough which makes successful cloning much more difficult. Most people have better success taking much smaller cuttings from the very top of branches of the mother (only one tip each cutting). You could try taking a few of the healthier upper branches off (each with only about 2-3 nodes/leaf sets) and try to clone those too. That could be risky at this point though, as it is already pretty stressed, but probably worth a shot since it's not looking good...
This is a clone that has roots and growth
 
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