Clones half hermied, half normal? Feminized seed?

Hello all!

SO I set up a grow journal right, been taking pictures and documenting the past month and a half... As I was going in there to take current pictures, and do a grow journal update, I notice the Oldest/tallest ones all have seed sacks... Not pollen sacks, seed... Def. a hermie... Whats crazy is ive NEVER had a hermie in my entire experience of growing.. I'm honestly truly confused as to what stressed them so bad, as the temps and humidity are perfect, 35-45% humidity, 65-86* F temps. watering ph of 5.8-6.0, nute line, fox farm.

whats even more weird, is all of these plants are from the same mother... Again whats weird, is the youngest ones are all producing bud perfectly! No sacks, no nothing... However about 4-5 out of the 10 that are in there, are growing seed. Like seed as if it was already pollinated??

Now heres my thoughts... I really dont want to scap all of them... However am thinking of scrapping the hermies for sure... BUT.... I was doing some research, and came across feminized seeds?? I then was thinking... Can I just leave 1 female, and 1 hermie in here and let it pollinate the female? Thus, created feminized seed? This mother is for sure a female... And all of the plants in said room, are from the same mother... Thus, would this cause feminized seeds? Or would this just literally create more seeds with a high chance of hermying themselves?

From what Ive read, people induce stress to a female plant to make it hermie using nickle acid or some shit.
now, if I did that basically the same way, but without using said method, wouldnt it still work the same?
Another variable, I was thinking of, is usually when people make feminized seeds, they induce stress to a female, and it makes the female to produce actual pollen sacks... Now this particular plant I have was stressed, but it didnt produce pollen sacks, its literally producing seed... SO I feel maybe this may defeat the purpose since the seed is already being produced, thus is now having its own hermie genetics, being passed on to the new said female..
Where as when making feminized seed, your actually needing to pollinate the female with the actually male sacks from said female plant, not the pollen from the seeds?

Its all very confusing a bit lol. Any help or constructive critism is greatly appreciated.

Pictures soon to come.

It is important to distinguish between a real hermaphrodite and a monoecious hermaphrodite.
A real hermaphrodite will have both an X and a Y chromosome. Real hermaphrodites are uncommon, especially from good seedbanks.
Monoecious hermaphrodites are much more common.

Monoecious hermaphrodites are often the result of poor environment as opposed to genetics.
Many growers over feed which is for some varieties enough to make a female plant produce male flowers. Heat is also a very common cause of stress. This is how the "feminized seeds make hermies" myth began.

The resulting seeds from a monoecious hermaphrodite are certainly not useless. They are feminized seeds that are as likely to become monoecious hermaphrodites in the same conditions the parents did.

When a female plant (XX) produces male flowers, it is a normal and natural survival mechanism. The pollen only has X chromosomes, so it can not produce male plants.

Properly made feminized seeds make 99.999999999% female plants. That, along with the latest findings on cannabis sex determination, lead me to believe that a plant's sex is determined in the seed.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/hermies-everything-you-need-to-know-faqs.341718/

*BUDS said:

It is important to distinguish between a real hermaphrodite and a monoecious hermaphrodite.
A real hermaphrodite will have both an X and a Y chromosome. Real hermaphrodites are uncommon, especially from good seedbanks.
Monoecious hermaphrodites are much more common.

Monoecious hermaphrodites are often the result of poor environment as opposed to genetics.
Many growers over feed which is for some varieties enough to make a female plant produce male flowers. Heat is also a very common cause of stress. This is how the "feminized seeds make hermies" myth began.

The resulting seeds from a monoecious hermaphrodite are certainly not useless. They are feminized seeds that are as likely to become monoecious hermaphrodites in the same conditions the parents did.

When a female plant (XX) produces male flowers, it is a normal and natural survival mechanism. The pollen only has X chromosomes, so it can not produce male plants.

Properly made feminized seeds make 99.999999999% female plants. That, along with the latest findings on cannabis sex determination, lead me to believe that a plant's sex is determined in the seed.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/hermies-everything-you-need-to-know-faqs.341718/

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Had we been growing hemp for seed and oil id have gone partly along with that monoecious stuff but ive never seen it translate over to the drug type. Some scriptures do point to there being monoecious drug varieties and of their isolation but surely that would have led to more than dick all in all these years so i have some doubting as to its believ'ability.

*BUDS said:

It is important to distinguish between a real hermaphrodite and a monoecious hermaphrodite.
A real hermaphrodite will have both an X and a Y chromosome. Real hermaphrodites are uncommon, especially from good seedbanks.
Monoecious hermaphrodites are much more common.

Monoecious hermaphrodites are often the result of poor environment as opposed to genetics.
Many growers over feed which is for some varieties enough to make a female plant produce male flowers. Heat is also a very common cause of stress. This is how the "feminized seeds make hermies" myth began.

The resulting seeds from a monoecious hermaphrodite are certainly not useless. They are feminized seeds that are as likely to become monoecious hermaphrodites in the same conditions the parents did.

When a female plant (XX) produces male flowers, it is a normal and natural survival mechanism. The pollen only has X chromosomes, so it can not produce male plants.

Properly made feminized seeds make 99.999999999% female plants. That, along with the latest findings on cannabis sex determination, lead me to believe that a plant's sex is determined in the seed.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/hermies-everything-you-need-to-know-faqs.341718/

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Didnt read the link but everything said is true. Would like to add that the plants growing seed have already been polonated. They cant just start growing seeds. The problem is finding which plant/plants are growing male parts if any are left in the area by harvest everything will be polonated and be seeded. What i would do is collect some pollen sacks in a baggie get rid of everything growing seeds inspect VERY closley whats left for male parts. If there arnt any and your positive. Tie a ribbon around a cola or two and use your colected pollen carefully on the marked colas. Then you will know exactly which buds have your fem seeds and the rest will be premium seedles smoke.

Thanks very much for this info, I killed and removed the hermies, and left the ones that are growing straight buds only. I get what your saying Dynamo, but the issue is nothing was pollinated... They were ALL female plants from the same FEMALE mother... They literally grew seeds.. there is no pollen sacks... Ive been watching them ever since I cutt them, I never saw anything but pistils until one day I noticed seed pods, not pollen sacks, ACTUAL SEEDS FORMING. So im not sure how about 4 of them got pollinated, and grew seeds, while the rest of the clones, grew only pistils and are to this moment forming buds. The funny thing is as well, the ones remaining ENTIERLY have buds forming.. no sights of hermie pollen sacks, seeds, anything! Its really weird.. Ill try to show some pics here in a minute. I just hope the ones that are actually growing bud werent pollinated from the other ones that were in there.. It seems none of the seeds or sacks poped open to pollinate, so im not sure... We'll see. Anyways, thanks for the helpful advice!

I wanted to add, I think what probably caused this, was when I initiall moved into this house, I had the original ones (nearly all that hermied) were the ones I kept under a little 2700 lumen cfl lamp just to keep them alive... they were there for about 2 a month or so before we could get everything set up... As soon as we had more clones we hooked up the 1k watt, and moved more clones in. Now that I think about it, the ones in there originally were the ones that were under the 2700 Lumen cfl... I think thats probably what stressed them so bad, and causing them to hermie, was suddenly getting 1k watts of HPS light lol.

Dynamo626 said:

Didnt read the link but everything said is true. Would like to add that the plants growing seed have already been polonated. They cant just start growing seeds. The problem is finding which plant/plants are growing male parts if any are left in the area by harvest everything will be polonated and be seeded. What i would do is collect some pollen sacks in a baggie get rid of everything growing seeds inspect VERY closley whats left for male parts. If there arnt any and your positive. Tie a ribbon around a cola or two and use your colected pollen carefully on the marked colas. Then you will know exactly which buds have your fem seeds and the rest will be premium seedles smoke.

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The info was good just the theory that sucked...