Cloudy Gel-Like Substance on Clones

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sunLiTmama

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We have an ez-clone 128 low pro white. Keeping pH between 5.8-6.2. Temp is between 70-75 F. Kept everything sterile, dipped in clonex gel. Using RO water. This is a pic on day 5. We have no roots but have this gel-like substance forming. Doesn't just wipe off. You can actually peel it off in clumps, almost like silicone. This clone seems to be the worst of the bunch. Some don't have it at all. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Really don't want to lose all of these. Thanks!
 

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Airwalker16

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Your stem is mutilated though. Next time just cut at a 45° angle and then INSTANTLY get it under some clean RO to suck up otherwise it will pull in air through capillary action and will ultimately die. Make sure to keep the fresh new cut underneath the water for a good 10mins.
 
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Renfro

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Airwalker16 said:
Your stem is mutilated though. Next time just cut at a 45° angle and then INSTANTLY get it under some clean RO to suck up otherwise it will pull in air through capillary action and will ultimately die. Make sure to keep the fresh new cut underneath the water for a good 10mins.
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Man I think thats a myth. I have taken cuts, like 20 at a time, laid them on a table, trim them all up, scrape the base of the stem on one side, dipped in clonex and put in a rapid rooter. It's rare if one doesn't root.
 
FastFreddi

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Renfro said:
Man I think thats a myth. I have taken cuts, like 20 at a time, laid them on a table, trim them all up, scrape the base of the stem on one side, dipped in clonex and put in a rapid rooter. It's rare if one doesn't root.
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I agree Sir, although my last attempt was pathetic.
Plant was very old, stems woody, she was a bit ill. 0 for 6.
I flowered her out, and am going to try again with some fresh peppermint kush, and master kush cuts.
Oh well, keep at it.
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Airwalker16

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Renfro said:
Man I think thats a myth. I have taken cuts, like 20 at a time, laid them on a table, trim them all up, scrape the base of the stem on one side, dipped in clonex and put in a rapid rooter. It's rare if one doesn't root.
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I've had many die that didn't get submerged. It's not like an air embolism isn't real.
 
FastFreddi

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I think it's when growers are cutting overly large clones, maybe from too high up the plant?
I dont know, I'm certainly not at your boys' level.
Just observations.
Peace.
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Renfro

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I used to use hydro for mothers, hydro can make for those hollow stems, don't see that in soil very often (I never have). When in hydro I had to toss a lot of the bigger tops when making a batch of clones, because they had hollow stems. I just didn't dick with them because of the rooting issues involved. Still made enough cuts so I didn't care. Now I prefer to keep mothers in soil so that hollow stems don't become an issue.

If you saw me cutting clones you would be like, damn, he breaks all the rules. I am known for cutting them exact length right off the plant, using my fiskars microtip scissors as a length gauge, not clean scissors either lol. I will hold several cuttings with the cut end in my lips. When I get a mouth full I'll toss them on a table, cut off extra fans leaving the nodes, scrape one side of the end (with the dirty scissors), dip in clonex and stick in rapid rooters. It's rare that one ever fails to root.
 
FastFreddi

FastFreddi

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Renfro said:
When I needed 200 cuttings every 20 days I used the described method and every two or three cycles (400 - 600 cuttings) I would have one fail to root. So like 99.75% - 99.83% and I wasn't being sterile or taking tiny cuts off the bottom of a plant.
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Wow.
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Renfro

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I like cutting big tops because more cells = faster development after they root. Also they are straight and thus pack in a clone tray well. I leave the nodes but ditch the fans so I can get more branching faster starting lower.

When I did 200 at a time I used a 2x4 flood and drain tray with a dome. Put four of the rapid rooter tray inserts in there (the part that holds the plugs) on a heat mat with a temperature control. The tray would flood about an inch deep once daily. I would add a light nutrient dose after the first 10 - 12 days and let them go the full 20, they would start to veg and roots would be around 18 - 20 inches long and barely be able to get them back out of the hole in the tray lol. It was pretty much set it and forget it since I only visited that house once a week.
 
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I personally have better success with soil clones then hydro cloning. I am just starting to clone hydroponically so I don't have a big success rate yet but in soil I nearly had above 95% rooting clones. I have personally cut clones off soil plants and laid them down about a good 20 minutes, maybe more before I get them into soil filled solo cups. I tape a plastic sandwich bag over the top then every 3 days cut a corner open. By day 10 all are rooted.
 
Airwalker16

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Renfro said:
How to people with the aero cloners prevent air getting up there, they just get misted?
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That's why you submerge them right away, know that capillary action happens and they pull up what they can, they don't pull up any more.
 
Renfro

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Airwalker16 said:
That's why you submerge them right away, know that capillary action happens and they pull up what they can, they don't pull up any more.
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Well I stand by the fact that hollow cuttings are the only possible way that this is an issue.
 
FastFreddi

FastFreddi

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Renfro said:
Well I stand by the fact that hollow cuttings are the only possible way that this is an issue.
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What happens when feed cycle stops...plenty of open stem to air then... I have nvr used one by the way.
Not arguing, trying to learn.
Peace.
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