contradiction?

I read this either here or erowid..

"let the plant get as old as possible before allowing it to mature so that potency will be as high as possible during harvest"

So by this rule, plants grown in a faster-maturing SCOG setup shouldn't have as much THC as those grown normally. Somehow I doubt this is true.

Could someone please clear this up for me? I want the kush.

scrog is more then likely using clones which came from a mature plant.I believe thats the differences versus taking a new seed baby and not giving it time to be a grown up before flowering.

Ummm, while I really don't know that doesn't quite sound right.

It would mean that not only would the DNA of the plant be passed on via the clone, but information like it's age and maturity as well. It would also mean you shouldn't take clones from plants that aren't fully matured and from what I've been reading here that isn't standard practice.

Could well be the case though, I haven't even finished growing my first plant yet.

Jzzzr

I just threw fdd's frisbee at you.

Having absolutely no idea what the fuck you are on about I have decided to catch the frisbee and throw it about 10 meters away from a large chested woman so I can watch her run.

plants from seed need to be mature before flowering. plain as day. clones from a mother plant are as old as the mother, if the mother is mature to flower, so will her clones. you can take clones from an imature mother or plant at anytime there is a place to take it. and most people do this to determine the sex

sk3tch3 said:

plants from seed need to be mature before flowering. plain as day. clones from a mother plant are as old as the mother, if the mother is mature to flower, so will her clones. you can take clones from an imature mother or plant at anytime there is a place to take it. and most people do this to determine the sex

Click to expand...

i get what your saying. so, let's take his original question a little further...

say, Aeroponic systems...they grow seedlings into big plants, very quickly...

is maturity a time limit of vegetation, or a certain size of plant?

While the age isn't carried in the DNA of the clone, the clone is the same age as the plant it was taken from...kinda obvious in retrospect. I was wrong. (So that's what it feels like..)

is maturity a time limit of vegetation, or a certain size of plant?

Click to expand...

Good question. Looking at the original question, maturity is really ambiguous there. If age isn't a determining factor.. the amount it's grown during
it's vegetative state is. So it wouldn't matter how fast you grew it, as opposed to how much you grew it. If age is determining factor however, it stands
to reason that a really old mother plant would pass on more powerful clones. (ha - just like in Vampire movies)

Anybody wanna add some experience to the theory?

I haven't read anywhere that says age of plant will determine potency. I've read where the age will determine YIELD, though. Is it possible they are confusing the 2 concepts - more yield=more smoke=more THC? If an immature plant is put into flowering, you'd probably end up with less and smaller buds, as the plant may not have developed the right root structure, branch formation and leaf creation to support nice big buds. Skinny stems and undersized branches would lead to smaller buds. Smaller buds=less THC. Just my thoughts, anyway.

i'm pretty sure it's more about yield and overall stability.

when a plant matures to flowering it's going to do all it can to live out it's genetic potential with the hardware it's got (roots, leaves, mass in general) and the environment it finds itself in.

but, an older plant has stability, which can make it more potent because it handles shock and stress better than a smaller plant will. a little booboo on a small plant uses resources that would otherwise be allocated to THC production....the older/bigger plant can cope better.

i don't know if this helps or not...



.

jazer said:

"let the plant get as old as possible before allowing it to mature so that potency will be as high as possible during harvest"

Click to expand...

Well yes and no. The statement is almost correct, but not in the way you've written it. If you were to say "let the plant reach sexual maturity before going 12/12 the potency will be as high as possible during harvest" that would be correct.

What does "let the plant get as old as possible before allowing it to mature" mean exactly? Maturation of a plant is when it reaches sexual maturity, this can happen anywhere from about 4-8 weeks for most plants in vegetative growth with most around 6-8 weeks. The other statement 'the older a plant is, the more cannabinoids it will produce, and therefore the more potent the THC will be" is also true. A 6 month old plant will produce more Cannabinoids than a 3 month old one. So the older a plant is, the more potent its buds will be.

When vegging plants, sexual maturity and age are two factors than need to be balanced off against time to harvest and size of plant. Because of this balance, most people tend to switch flowering when the plant reaches about 12 inches tall, regardless of how old the plant is.

This is one of the areas where clones have a distinct advantage over plants from seed, because all clones take the age of the mother, so an 8 week old plant produces 8 week old clones - these clones are therefore already sexually mature enough to flower and therefore the one area the grower has to decide is, how long do I veg for the clones for in terms of height and yield, rather than length of time for sexual maturity.

Bingo.

I picked up the quote from another growers guide and didn't have the experience to reconcile it with everything I've been learning about fast growing setups. Clear now, thanks.

You know a plant is mature when it shows signs of it. Alternate branching, pre-flowers, steady level to a decline of leaflets on a leaf. Not by age or heigh.

There are 2 features that distinguish mature veggie plants from immature ones. They are alternating nodal arrangement and leaves with 5 or more blades. You can flower before those features are present, but the plants perform a whole lot better if you wait. Most strains except for equ. sats have these by 12" or so. Personally, mine have always had these features before they reach 30 days old.
Vegging too long will have it's pitfalls, depending on your light penetration, which will always be "less than" perfect on an indoor grow.