couple questions on advanced nutrients

Im running a bc northernlights producer box. i have it filled with about 20 various clones that are around a week old and am using jungle juice made by advanced nutrients. right now im running not even quater strength. but i only have about two weeks of veg since i cant have them get to tall because the box is so small. My ph stays at 5.8 water temp high 70s and my ppm is about 150 right now. my question is, is there anything i can add to enhance my veg cycle so i have vigorous shoot growth. i noticed there is plenty for blooming. but since my veg cycle is so short i wanted to beef up the number of shoots... more shoots more flowers right?. also if you have any pointers for bloom enhancers im all ears in fact anything anyone has to say i am down to listen. can you mix brands like can i run pk 13 14 with advanced nutrients.

Why not top or lst if height is an issue?

im not a big fan of adv nutes to expasive for what they are. i herd u have to use r/o water for the results they clim yadda yadda. i love humboldt an bc. i use humboldts ginormus it packs weight on nicely. also humboldt countys own crystal burst is great for oils and trichs.... its not a bloom booster.... i made that mistake. also i want to mention ive herd you shouldnt mix advanced nutes with other stuff but ive never used them. i would like to try sensi grow a-b an or conisour a-b, and mayb kushie kush for my bubba. the only thing i really know is mixing phosoload with other booster and what have you is bad. my rule of thumb dont double up on product like for example kool bloom and awsome blosom both bloom booster an what have you, just read the instructions most will let you know whats up like snowstorm tells you dont run over 1000 ppm. so hope this helps a have a growtastic day

Palmdiggidy said:

im not a big fan of adv nutes to expasive for what they are. i herd u have to use r/o water for the results they clim yadda yadda. i love humboldt an bc. i use humboldts ginormus it packs weight on nicely. also humboldt countys own crystal burst is great for oils and trichs.... its not a bloom booster.... i made that mistake. also i want to mention ive herd you shouldnt mix advanced nutes with other stuff but ive never used them. i would like to try sensi grow a-b an or conisour a-b, and mayb kushie kush for my bubba. the only thing i really know is mixing phosoload with other booster and what have you is bad. my rule of thumb dont double up on product like for example kool bloom and awsome blosom both bloom booster an what have you, just read the instructions most will let you know whats up like snowstorm tells you dont run over 1000 ppm. so hope this helps a have a growtastic day

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So you have just heard… so you really have no idea…or what have you. Thanks for no help here. Maybe join the other AN haters in another forum. And the fact that you use Humbolt and didn't know the products you where using were not bloom boosters sounds like you might not be the best one to give advice.

Sucio: Here is some honest first hand advice.
I have been using AN for a while now. Palmdiggidy has not a clue what he is talking about, he is to busy listening hear say and reading bogus forums. You don't have to use R/O (its recommended, as it really should be with any nutrients for best results and accuracy) I personally don't use it. I just go through a sediment filter.

Yes, you can use other nutrients with AN. I use Roots Accelerator and other various products here and there. AN recommends to use just AN probably for two reasons. 1. Marketing of corse. 2. It is one of the most pH stable nutrient lines Ion the market. If you start to add other nutrients it can change that consistency. The non-pH Perfect line will pH at about 6.3 and pH Perfect is more like 5.7-6.0. pH Perfect is a whole different animal. I am in my first cycle of flower with it and pretty amazed. After about 4-5 days it creeps to 6.5. I see no issues with my plants, they are still feeding and growing perfect. Non-pH perfect, though stable, needs a reasonable pHing every day or 2 to keep it around 5.7

Now to answer your question about more shoots.
Veg:
Sensi Grow
Voodoo Juice
B-52
and I like to add some Sensizyme and Carboload every other feeding
I foliar feed with Nirvana every other week.

Nirvana and B-52 will give you nice shoots and a bushy plant.

When you flip to Flower.. Hit it with Bud Ignitor or Bud Blood for 2 weeks- this will give you more flower sites.

That should get you what your looking for along with topping.

Hope this info helps, have a great day.

The ph perfect stuff is a trip I let the ph hit 7.0 and no lockup
really have nothing neg in fact i love the stuff, just be carefull
with there bennys in certain types of hydro systems.

BUdbuddysmile said:

So you have just heard… so you really have no idea…or what have you. Thanks for no help here. Maybe join the other AN haters in another forum. And the fact that you use Humbolt and didn't know the products you where using were not bloom boosters sounds like you might not be the best one to give advice.

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And given the fact that you're new to hydro, how does that make you any better suited to give advice?

Yes, you can use other nutrients with AN. I use Roots Accelerator and other various products here and there. AN recommends to use just AN probably for two reasons. 1. Marketing of corse. 2. It is one of the most pH stable nutrient lines Ion the market.

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There are many reports, including your own in the next paragraph, of how they do NOT make pH stable nutrients. I used AN's top-of-the-line plant food and it's pH-stability was only marginally better than the GH 3-part and equal to that of H&G's Aqua Flakes, both of which are substantially cheaper than Connoisseur.

If you start to add other nutrients it can change that consistency. The non-pH Perfect line will pH at about 6.3 and pH Perfect is more like 5.7-6.0. pH Perfect is a whole different animal. I am in my first cycle of flower with it and pretty amazed. After about 4-5 days it creeps to 6.5. I see no issues with my plants, they are still feeding and growing perfect.

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Non-pH perfect, though stable, needs a reasonable pHing every day or 2 to keep it around 5.7

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If you need to pH your res, it's not 'pH-stable' .

Now to answer your question about more shoots.
Veg:
Sensi Grow
Voodoo Juice
B-52
and I like to add some Sensizyme and Carboload every other feeding
I foliar feed with Nirvana every other week.

Nirvana and B-52 will give you nice shoots and a bushy plant.

When you flip to Flower.. Hit it with Bud Ignitor or Bud Blood for 2 weeks- this will give you more flower sites.

That should get you what your looking for along with topping.

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Buying more bottles wont do sh*t for the growth structure of his plants. Topping (or structural manipulation), as you finally mentioned, is the only way to get more shoots.

cant help you out but your LUCKY! i want one of those BC northernlight boxes!!

Your water temperature is too high.

drolove said:

cant help you out but your LUCKY! i want one of those BC northernlight boxes!!

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wanna buy mine iv'e had it since 2009..i believe i have out grown mine..

homebrewer said:

And given the fact that you're new to hydro, how does that make you any better suited to give advice?



There are many reports, including your own in the next paragraph, of how they do NOT make pH stable nutrients. I used AN's top-of-the-line plant food and it's pH-stability was only marginally better than the GH 3-part and equal to that of H&G's Aqua Flakes, both of which are substantially cheaper than Connoisseur.





If you need to pH your res, it's not 'pH-stable' .



Buying more bottles wont do sh*t for the growth structure of his plants. Topping (or structural manipulation), as you finally mentioned, is the only way to get more shoots.

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Certainly not claiming to be an expert, just being honest and letting you know I havnt used pH Perfect for too long, or hydro. So Im not sure why your jumping on my nuts here. Im not going off of hear say or just assuming anything. Again, Im just speaking from my experience. Manipulating and topping is for sure most effective, but I can say that B-52 seems to help with keeping my plants bushier as well.

You quoted me about using other nutrients with AN and throwing off the pH… Roots Accelerator has virutally no effect on pH. If you were to use a different bloom enhancer or in my experience, a silicate, it does seem to throw it off a bit. Regardless as you even say.."marginally better" than other lines like GH or H&G. Well, its better and I don't feel its marginally better, its a noticeably more stable. Your pH will be 6.0-6.3 with non-pH Perfect. With pH perfect, honestly I sit at about 6.0 but AN says 5.7… either way, plants look great. So, In soil at 6-6.3, no pHing at all. I think where you are misinterpreting me, is with how long it holds pH in hydro… Well that is where I can only speak from 1 and a half runs in hydro w/ pH Perfect. But I state that, so again, not sure why your all up tight?

I got a little up tight the other night because someone wants to give advice that starts with "I herd." So to answer your first question, thats what makes my advice better, its honest advice, Im not trying to come off as a know it all, just telling this fellow my experience, not what I heard.

BUdbuddysmile, don't worry about homebrewer, he just hates everyone that uses Advanced Nutrients.

You get used to it after awhile here. I'm pretty sure he just searches the forum every day for any mention of Advanced Nutrients and then attacks anyone who doesn't agree with him about AN.

hugetom80s said:

... I'm pretty sure he just searches the forum every day for any mention of Advanced Nutrients and then attacks anyone who doesn't agree with him about AN.

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My apologies for constantly raining on the marketing-hype parade that you, sensibowl, aeroman, motherhugger, hooked.on.phonics, cultiv8, and a few others AN drones constantly perpetuate . I should add that none of you have journals nor have posted a single bit of helpful advice on this site outside of plugging expensive products that no one needs.

Brand names aside, a bottle of mineral salts wont add growth shoots, training will. Let me guess, you guys make a bottle of 'Super LST juice' that tops our plants for us. Only $89 for 3 ounces .

hugetom80s said:

BUdbuddysmile, don't worry about homebrewer, he just hates everyone that uses Advanced Nutrients.

You get used to it after awhile here. I'm pretty sure he just searches the forum every day for any mention of Advanced Nutrients and then attacks anyone who doesn't agree with him about AN.

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If that is what you think Homebrewer is doing then you an idiot!!! He is just trying to help people save money and buy legit stuff that does the job even better. I support his methods. I try to do the same thing and try to stop people from buying AN. They are greedy and making a shit load of money off of people's idiotcy. Just try other products and you will be amazed!

I am in my first grow with a producer and my water temp got into the mid 70's and i had a really nasty brown algae. if i were you i would work on lowering your res temp to avoid algae or root rot. if you are interested here is my grow at week three- switching to flower on sat.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/545400-1st-time-grow-bcnl-producer.html

BUdbuddysmile said:

So you have just heard… so you really have no idea…or what have you. Thanks for no help here. Maybe join the other AN haters in another forum. And the fact that you use Humbolt and didn't know the products you where using were not bloom boosters sounds like you might not be the best one to give advice.

Sucio: Here is some honest first hand advice.
I have been using AN for a while now. Palmdiggidy has not a clue what he is talking about, he is to busy listening hear say and reading bogus forums. You don't have to use R/O (its recommended, as it really should be with any nutrients for best results and accuracy) I personally don't use it. I just go through a sediment filter.

Yes, you can use other nutrients with AN. I use Roots Accelerator and other various products here and there. AN recommends to use just AN probably for two reasons. 1. Marketing of corse. 2. It is one of the most pH stable nutrient lines Ion the market. If you start to add other nutrients it can change that consistency. The non-pH Perfect line will pH at about 6.3 and pH Perfect is more like 5.7-6.0. pH Perfect is a whole different animal. I am in my first cycle of flower with it and pretty amazed. After about 4-5 days it creeps to 6.5. I see no issues with my plants, they are still feeding and growing perfect. Non-pH perfect, though stable, needs a reasonable pHing every day or 2 to keep it around 5.7

Now to answer your question about more shoots.
Veg:
Sensi Grow
Voodoo Juice
B-52
and I like to add some Sensizyme and Carboload every other feeding
I foliar feed with Nirvana every other week.

Nirvana and B-52 will give you nice shoots and a bushy plant.

When you flip to Flower.. Hit it with Bud Ignitor or Bud Blood for 2 weeks- this will give you more flower sites.

That should get you what your looking for along with topping.

Hope this info helps, have a great day.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Yes, AN rocks...especially when you know how to use it.

Gotta love the douches who just talk trash without having a clue. At least learn about what you're ripping on. Sigh.

decrimCA said:

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Yes, AN rocks...especially when you know how to use it.

Gotta love the douches who just talk trash without having a clue. At least learn about what you're ripping on. Sigh.

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All hydroponic fertilizers rock. Best PH stablizer I have ever found is Potassium carbonate. One shot of it and my PH is stable for a week during flowering. Best blossom booster is anything with potassium in it. Commercial blossom boosters are just MPK which you can buy dry in a 50 lb sack for 40$. Budding formulas are already full of it, so it is a moot point adding more. Marketing hype.

GreenThumbSucker said:

All hydroponic fertilizers rock. Best PH stablizer I have ever found is Potassium carbonate. One shot of it and my PH is stable for a week during flowering. Best blossom booster is anything with potassium in it. Commercial blossom boosters are just MPK which you can buy dry in a 50 lb sack for 40$. Budding formulas are already full of it, so it is a moot point adding more. Marketing hype.

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I get it, you can purchase cheap fertilizer in bulk one way or another, but there are companies out there, not just AN, that take the time and research to formulate nutrients in specific ratios. Theres a lot of marketing behind most successful businesses, in most industries. That is how your brand gets recognized. But anyways, more power too you if you can formulate your own nutrients, I have never smoked amazing buds from a grower that mixes his own nutrients. Call it magic potion, but AN, H&G, Canna, .. a few other high price nutes, when used properly will greatly enhance your quality and production. Its worth it for me in the end, I get paid back X10 in the end. Whatever works for you though, Im not hating on it.

BUdbuddysmile said:

I get it, you can purchase cheap fertilizer in bulk one way or another, but there are companies out there, not just AN, that take the time and research to formulate nutrients in specific ratios. Theres a lot of marketing behind most successful businesses, in most industries. That is how your brand gets recognized. But anyways, more power too you if you can formulate your own nutrients, I have never smoked amazing buds from a grower that mixes his own nutrients. Call it magic potion, but AN, H&G, Canna, .. a few other high price nutes, when used properly will greatly enhance your quality and production. Its worth it for me in the end, I get paid back X10 in the end. Whatever works for you though, Im not hating on it.

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There is no magical NPK ratio that will put you over the top. That is a myth. The plant will use what it needs and no more, no less. I have noticed no difference in growth or yield between homemade hydroponic fertilizer and commercially made fertilizer. The only difference is the price. $5 per gallon vs $30+ per gallon.

You can clone any commercially made hydroponic fertilizer. They try to hide their guaranteed analysis by leaving out trace element ratios on their labels, but you can get the correct and full analysis for any fertilizer here: http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/ProductDatabase.aspx

With that information you can easily mimic the fertilizer that you want to make, using Daniel Fernandez hydroponic nutrient calculator which you can get free here:


Preparing a Hydroponic Nutrient Solution
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-solution.html

The First Free Hydroponic Nutrient Calculator Program )
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-nutrient.html

Making Your Own Hydroponic Solutions - Download my Free Ebook
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...solutions.html

Preparing Your Own Hydroponic Nutrients : A Complete Guide for Beginners
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html

Preparing Hydroponics Nutrient Solutions, From Concentrations to Weights
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-nutrient.html

Describing Concentration in Hydroponics
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...droponics.html

Using my Nutrient Calculator with Commercial Fertilizers : Part No.1
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...ator-with.html

Using my Nutrient Calculator with Commercial Fertilizers : Part No.2
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...r-with_21.html

Preparing A and B Solutions Using My Hydroponics Nutrient Calculator
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-using-my.html

Preparing A, B and C (three part) Concentrated Nutrient Solutions, a Tutorial for my Hydroponic Nutrient Calculator
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...1_archive.html

Imitating Commercial Nutrients : A Tutorial Using HydroBuddy (my free Hydroponic Nutrient Calculator)
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-tutorial.html

My Hydroponics Calculator : Features and Objectives
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...tures-and.html

My Hydroponic Calculator Tutorial : Saving and Loading Formulations and Recipes
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/2...-tutorial.html


There is a bit of a learning curve, but you can then mimic ANY hydroponic fertilizer that you want with this information and it cost $5 a gallon or less.

I'm getting a gram a watt, That's just with good soil, and a longer veg, 60 days. I understand peoples plants might be bigger and get better yield using steroids on there grows, Just like in baseball guys like Barry Bonds, get more home runs. (juicing) and it really is the norm for most growers. Advanced nuts, are just steroids. so if guys want to use them all power to you. But your grows can be just as good with a better taste.. without all the roids.. If your getting a inch a day growth how much more do you want..

Ill check it out for sure. Im just not convinced it will add up. And "steroids" whatever, there is no harm in using AN "steroids" over making your own fertilizers. Steriods are not healthy for humans because they have residual effects on the human body. We grow these plants, harvest them and move on to new plants (with all do respect to the plants.) There is nothing more harmful about using AN or your own nutes.