Crop Rotation!?!

cannakis said:

So as a gentleman stated on here recently...What about crop rotation!?

This is a Serious problem because in 5-7years if you're using the Same soil for the Same crop then you will develop diseases and the growth will diminish tremendously.!



Anyone here been using THE SAME Recycled Soil for 5+ years?

And I just do Not believe a few cover crops will do this... I think it should be like Corn, Squash, Brassicas, other Agricultural Crops. Because that's what Cannabis is, an Annual Agricultural Crop it is Not a Perennial Tree.

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greasemonkeymann said:

why or how do you explain re-using soil to cause diseases?
I have soil in my mix that is nearly a decade old.
maybe older, hard to tell, I haven't bought a bag of soil in yrs.
but I do reamend, as we all do.
Crop rotation is meant for different cash crops that deplete their soils differently than cannabis, also that's in dirt, not an amended mix.
Add humus and nutrients every third run, is what I do.

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ShLUbY said:

i'm just making an assumption here, but usually disease and sickly life are due to depleting the soil of all of its nutrients from growing the same crop over and over in the same location and not replenishing the soil with more than what the plants used up. i feel like i've read this in a few gardening books but i don't know if that's truth or not, but i know that a healthy plant with everything it needs is more able to fight pest and disease. also if you're an indoor grower, i think a lot of the outdoor born diseases are generally kept away, though i know air can carry a lot of things.

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cannakis said:

Wait but when you say soil In your mix you are saying there's just a little left from old batches? or this is the Main Base Soil you created decades ago and you have Only been amending with like EWC, Kelp, etc...?

The reason i say this is because Crop Rotation is Not something new from the new day of Monoculture Husbandry, this was something farmers practiced 500+ years ago, and Honestly i would bet Money even the Egyptians Knew of it, and actually even the Jewish Law--i believe--to leave the Land Barren on the 7th year...

Here is a direct excerpt from Thomas Tusser's "500 Points of Good Husbandry" written in 1557... "... 22. First barlie, then pease, then wheat, if ye please. 23. Two crops and away, must champion say. 24. Where barlie did growe, laie wheat to sowe. Yet better I thinke, sowe pease after drinke. And then, if ye please, sowe wheat after pease. 25. What champion knowes that custome showes. 26. First barlie er rie, then pease by and by. THen fallow for wheat, is husbandrie great." from October's Abstract.

Directly from Octobers husbandrie... "... 19. Otes, rie, or else barlie, and wheat that is gray, brings land out of comfort, and soone to decay: One after another, no comfort betweene, is crop upon crop, as will quickly be seene. 20. Still crop upon crop many fermers do take, and reape little profit for greediness sake. Though breadcorne & drinkcorn such croppers do star count peason or brank, as a comfort to land. 21. Good land that is severall, crops may have three, in champion countrie it may not so bee: Ton taketh his season, as commoners may, the tother with reason may otherwise say. 22. Some useth at first a good fallow to make, to sowe thereon barlie, the better to take. Next that to sowe pease, and of that to sowe wheat, then fallow again, or lie lay for thy neat. 23 First rie, and then barlie, the champion saies, or wheat before barlie be champion waies: But drinke before bread corne with Middlesex men, then lay on more compas, and fallow agen. 24. Where barlie ye sowe, after rie or else wheat, if land be unlustie, the crop is not great, So lose ye your cost, to your coresie and smart, and land (overburdened) is cleane out of hart."

Man i love learning! Alright so i'll need a 100pg Essay on the Real Meaning behind what Tusser is saying. Due Friday before class, thanks guys have a great week.!

But seriously i have another book written in 1840 called "Southern Farmer and Market Gardener" and they talk about Crop Rotation or Crop Upon Crop as Tusser calls it, i'll do some reading and post those Words too.

But you see there is Definitely a meaning and reason behind allowing the Ground to fallow... And remember they Are Manuring the land, he is saying even After manuring Crop Upon Crop is dangerous and will diminish your yields and cause plants to become sickly.

And you are definitely right Indoors helps prevents the Spread of Disease, but haha also as have heard thank GOD it hasnt happened to me, it can also be a Breeding Ground For a disease! And then you have to Clean House to get rid of it.

I'm just trying to bring this to our attention especially with the No-Till Organics that is exploding across the board right now, i mean Everyone is doing it now Even commercial farmers, but this could come back to haunt us if we do Not Fallow the ground...


Oh yeah after the 1850s Science Really started entering the Unknowns and playing with some Dangerous Chemicals... SO i would take Any Publication written after i'd say 1850 with a HUGE Grain of Salt. THOUGH ALL Of Tesla's Publications are Brilliant and should be read and Recreated IF You dare!!!! FUCK EDISON!

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ShLUbY said:

yeah but you also need to remember, we are dealing with the indoors, and though all that stuff is interesting, it's not applicable to what you're doing with cannabis.

if you choose to ignore science after 1850 that's up to you. humans have been playing with dangerous chemicals for long before 1850. humans have been dealing with the unknown for tens of thousands of years. We still deal with the unknown to this day.

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cannakis said:

Yes I agree... I'm saying after 1850 to like 1910 they believed shit to be healthy and right and found out it wasn't. I'm not ignoring modern science. But you shouldn't ignore Factual History and Science and Arts which have Existed for Hundreds and Thousands of years.

And just because we are indoors does Not mean we negate the outdoors. If anything it's the Complete opposite because you are ReCreating the Outdoors artificially! So outdoor husbandry Does matter for indoors. What do you think a No Till is... It's Recreating a Forest Floor!!!! Oh don't mess with outdoors though we're indoors.

And I have learned More From Books written Hundreds even Thousands of years ago than I have from the massive Oversaturation of mindless uneducated opinions of inexperienced fools who haven't worked or produced a single thing a day in their life!

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Rolleditup said:

There are organic hippies out there who have been growing indoors using the same ol soil for many many years and doing nothing but amending the soil and maybe adding worm castings or compost. I bet if those wise ancient jews knew how to build a worm inn and add amendments then that law wouldn't have passed. Never heard of a plant come up with crabs or herpes from growing too much weed with the same soil. A wise ancient egyptian leader once saw a UFO in the sky and sacrificed 11 virgins because the gods were angry and sent a fireball. Today we just say those damn aliens.

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cannakis said:

And I have learned More From Books written Hundreds even Thousands of years ago than I have from the massive Oversaturation of mindless uneducated opinions of inexperienced fools who haven't worked or produced a single thing a day in their life!

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cannakis said:

This is a Serious problem because in 5-7years if you're using the Same soil for the Same crop then you will develop diseases and the growth will diminish tremendously.!

I'm thinking maybe start throwing my soil out in my garden with Other crops then bring it Back inside after amending again.

And I just do Not believe a few cover crops will do this... I think it should be like Corn, Squash, Brassicas, other Agricultural Crops. Because that's what Cannabis is, an Annual Agricultural Crop it is Not a Perennial Tree.

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Rolleditup said:

Yes, I've never seen a disease on any of the 10,000+ plants I've seen or grown personally either. And I've seen some jacked up plants. Never even heard of anyone say they had a plant with a disease. TMV is the closest and its not even a disease.




Weedologists . You sound very young. It doesn't take an education to know how to grow plants. You can't read your way to growing good plants. I'm sorry you've learned more from books written thousands of years ago than a "tard" kindly giving you correct advice here. Maybe if you start producing something yourself you'd realize diseases are not of a concern for indoor growers using the same dirt since the beginning of time. Could be that you are the mindless uneducated inexperienced tard who hasn't worked or produced a single day in your life. You should already know you never want to put your dirt outside in your garden and bring it back inside, if there was a disease to be had that will be a sure way to get it. You're more likely to bring bugs from outside to an all you can eat buffet at your cost. I'd rather toss my dirt if I was told I had to listen to you and grow corn, squash, brassicas and other agricultural crops in between runs because cannabis is an annual not a perennial. I'd much rather listen to my plants telling me what she wants, thank you. Girlll what chu need…..

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hyroot said:

You forget about the dust bowl caused mostly by vertical plows. The recycling of soil via no till in the 1940's brought this country out of the dust bowl and later the development of horizontal plows

Read the book "The Plowman's Follie " it's a 75 year old book

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greasemonkeymann said:

And I am one of those hippies that does exactly that.
I'm curious about one thing @cannakis
when have you ever seen a disease on a cannabis plant?
mites? yea, powder mold? yes, botritus, aphids or even russet mites? yes, yes, and yes.
But a disease?
not in the 25+ yrs of growing.
Never seen a disease in my life
I've grown literally thousands of plants.
In fact, I've grown, six types of hybrid tea roses, jasmine, three different types of lavenders, avocado, three types of blueberries, loganberry, marionberry, raspberry, four types of blackberries, bleeding heart clerodendron, like ten types of philodendrons.. many types of orchids, violets, and even a couple ferns.
Never seen a disease on anything.
just sayin

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Rolleditup said:

Yes, I've never seen a disease on any of the 10,000+ plants I've seen or grown personally either. And I've seen some jacked up plants. Never even heard of anyone say they had a plant with a disease. TMV is the closest and its not even a disease.




Weedologists . You sound very young. It doesn't take an education to know how to grow plants. You can't read your way to growing good plants. I'm sorry you've learned more from books written thousands of years ago than a "tard" kindly giving you correct advice here. Maybe if you start producing something yourself you'd realize diseases are not of a concern for indoor growers using the same dirt since the beginning of time. Could be that you are the mindless uneducated inexperienced tard who hasn't worked or produced a single day in your life. You should already know you never want to put your dirt outside in your garden and bring it back inside, if there was a disease to be had that will be a sure way to get it. You're more likely to bring bugs from outside to an all you can eat buffet at your cost. I'd rather toss my dirt if I was told I had to listen to you and grow corn, squash, brassicas and other agricultural crops in between runs because cannabis is an annual not a perennial. I'd much rather listen to my plants telling me what she wants, thank you. Girlll what chu need…..

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hyroot said:

You forget about the dust bowl caused mostly by vertical plows. The recycling of soil via no till in the 1940's brought this country out of the dust bowl and later the development of horizontal plows

Read the book "The Plowman's Follie " it's a 75 year old book

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Rolleditup said:

Yes, I've never seen a disease on any of the 10,000+ plants I've seen or grown personally either. And I've seen some jacked up plants. Never even heard of anyone say they had a plant with a disease. TMV is the closest and its not even a disease.




Weedologists . You sound very young. It doesn't take an education to know how to grow plants. You can't read your way to growing good plants. I'm sorry you've learned more from books written thousands of years ago than a "tard" kindly giving you correct advice here. Maybe if you start producing something yourself you'd realize diseases are not of a concern for indoor growers using the same dirt since the beginning of time. Could be that you are the mindless uneducated inexperienced tard who hasn't worked or produced a single day in your life. You should already know you never want to put your dirt outside in your garden and bring it back inside, if there was a disease to be had that will be a sure way to get it. You're more likely to bring bugs from outside to an all you can eat buffet at your cost. I'd rather toss my dirt if I was told I had to listen to you and grow corn, squash, brassicas and other agricultural crops in between runs because cannabis is an annual not a perennial. I'd much rather listen to my plants telling me what she wants, thank you. Girlll what chu need…..

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cannakis said:

So as a gentleman stated on here recently...What about crop rotation!?

This is a Serious problem because in 5-7years if you're using the Same soil for the Same crop then you will develop diseases and the growth will diminish tremendously.!

And I understand Organics is growing it Like a Tree in a Forest... But is this Really the Best method for an Agricultural crop?!

I'm thinking maybe start throwing my soil out in my garden with Other crops then bring it Back inside after amending again.

Anyone here been using THE SAME Recycled Soil for 5+ years?

And I just do Not believe a few cover crops will do this... I think it should be like Corn, Squash, Brassicas, other Agricultural Crops. Because that's what Cannabis is, an Annual Agricultural Crop it is Not a Perennial Tree.

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anzohaze said:

I don't think you get the main concept here as many of us are indoor growers and some outdoors. On a farm you plow fields and grow corn for a year or 2 them move then corn field.to the other half of the field and replenish the nutrients, ammendments in the soil to get a healthy soil back. If you notice beg9re rotating fields they grow sunflowers or daisy's etc so when they till the soil the sunflower or etc gives nutrients back to the soil as the soil deminshes, as that's crop rotation. they cant just say lets add an inch of ewc to my 1000+ acre fields. We top dress indoors and use worms. We give them home them give us growth. It's team work

Edit: a few people in this site I believe like stow I believe grease and and few other have said they dump there pots out every few runs to help aerate and unpack the soil.

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GreenSanta said:

every round you have to top dress or mix fresh compost in it, so it doesnt get depleted, like buddy stated above, this is not like a field crop but an amended soil mix in a pot. I have experimented quite a bit with re-using soil between cycles, from remixing and recomposting to pull and plant and top dress or even took the whole rootball out, added fresh compost at the bottom and place the rootball back in. Sometimes I do start fresh too but most plants in the grow room are a mix of very old and old soil... it does take time to know when and what to re-amend, I have times where the plants run out of food way too early, in that case I know to re-amend a lot before next round. growing weed has never been so cheap, compost and worm poop are key!!

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