Detroit is Whack!

abe supercro

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/half-detroits-streetlights-may-city-160617398.html

Detroit, whose 139 square miles contain 60 percent fewer residents than in 1950, will try to nudge them into a smaller living space by eliminating nearly half its streetlights.
As it is, 40 percent of the 88,000 streetlights are broken and the city, whose finances are to be overseen by an appointed board, can't afford to fix them. Mayor Dave Bing's plan would create an authority to borrow $160 million to upgrade and reduce the number of streetlights to 46,000. Maintenance would be contracted out, saving the city $10 million a year.
Other U.S. cities have gone partially dark to save money, among them Colorado Springs; Santa Rosa, California; and Rockford, Illinois. Detroit's plan goes further: It would leave sparsely populated swaths unlit in a community of 713,000 that covers more area than Boston, Buffalo and San Francisco combined. Vacant property and parks account for 37 square miles (96 square kilometers), according to city planners.
"You have to identify those neighborhoods where you want to concentrate your population," said Chris Brown, Detroit's chief operating officer. "We're not going to light distressed areas like we light other areas."
Detroit's dwindling income and property-tax revenue have required residents to endure unreliable buses and strained police services throughout the city. Because streetlights are basic to urban life, deciding what areas to illuminate will reshape the city, said Kirk Cheyfitz, co-founder of a project called Detroit143 -- named for the 139 square miles of land, plus water -- that publicizes neighborhood issues.
Rethinking Detroit
"It touches kids going to school in the dark," said Cheyfitz, chief executive of Story Worldwide Ltd., a New York marketing company. "It touches midnight Mass at a church. It touches businesses that want to stay open past 9 p.m."
Bing in 2010 began an independent project called Detroit Works to sort ideas on how to reconfigure the city for residences, businesses, green space and even agriculture, a plan due in August.
Meantime, Brown said, the city will fix broken streetlights in certain places even as it discontinues such services as street and sidewalk repairs in "distressed" areas -- those with a high degree of blight and little or no commercial activity.
Bing's plan requires state legislation to create the lighting authority. Governor Rick Snyder supports the plan, said his senior policy adviser, Valerie Brader.
Dark Portents
There's already experience snuffing out streetlights within Detroit's borders. Highland Park, a 3-square-mile city encircled by its larger neighbor, removed 1,100 of 1,600 streetlights last year, after piling up a $4 million debt to DTE Energy. The move saves $45,000 a month, said Alejandro Bodipo-Memba, a spokesman for the company.
Only major streets and intersections remain lit in the city of 12,000, once home to Chrysler Group LLC's namesake car manufacturer and Henry Ford's first moving assembly line. Mayor DeAndre Windom, 45, said residents at first complained, through few do now. He's considering grants and private funding to relight darkened streets
Colorado Springs pulled the plug on 9,000 of its 25,600 lights in 2010 to save $1.3 million, said David Krauth, a city traffic engineer. Some were relit as revenue improved, though 3,500 remain dark, saving about $500,000 a year, he said.
In Detroit, some streets have no working lights. Many appear dim or are blocked by trees. And some areas with mostly vacant lots are well-lit.
Night Terrors
A single, broken streetlight on the northeast side brings fear to Cynthia Perry, 55. It hasn't worked for six years, Perry said in an interview on the darkened sidewalk where she walks from her garage to her house entrance.
"I'm afraid coming in at night," she said. "I'm not going to seclude myself in the house and never go anywhere."
In southwest Detroit, businesses on West Vernor Highway, a main commercial thoroughfare, have sought $4 million in private grants to fix the situation themselves. The state would pay $2.5 million, said Kathy Wendler, president of the Southwest Detroit Business Association.
Jamahl Makled, 40, said he's owned businesses in southwest Detroit for about two decades, most recently cell-phone stores. He said they've have been burglarized more than a dozen times.
"In the dark, criminals are comfortable," Makled said. "It's not good for the economy and the safety of the residents."
Antique Lamps
North of there, on a stretch of West Grand Boulevard, the bases of light poles show where thieves tore out the wiring.
As many as 15,000 Detroit streetlights use 1920s technology, according to a 2010 study by McKinsey & Co. Upgrading the system would cost $140 million to $200 million, and $5 million more to operate than the $23 million now spent annually, the report said.
Besides streetlights, the Detroit lighting department provides electricity to 144 customers that include Detroit schools, Wayne State University and local government offices. Almost 22 percent of the city's electric bills were unpaid, the McKinsey report said.
That's just one reason Detroit is digging out of a $265 million deficit and saddled with more than $12 billion in long- term debt. To avoid a state takeover, Detroit agreed in April to have its finances overseen by a nine-member board appointed by the city and the state.
Civic Obligations
Delivering services to a thinly spread population is expensive. Some 20 neighborhoods, each a square mile or more, are only 10 to 15 percent occupied, said John Mogk, a law professor at Wayne State University who specializes in urban law and policy. He said the city can't force residents to move, and it's almost impossible under Michigan law for the city to seize properties for development.
Mogk said landowners can demand many times what property would fetch on the open market.
"There are tremendous political, administrative, financial and, to some degree, legal obstacles," Mogk said. "Unless you phase out a neighborhood altogether, you still need lighting, and waste pickup and police and fire protection."
As Detroit's streets go dark, some of those neighborhoods may fade away with the dying light.:fire:
 

hic

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Detroits lighting, Africas dying children and USA's war happy agenda is going to push me to smoke marijuana this morning.
 
Could be a great business venture for someone - buying up all those second hand ballasts from the street lighting and reselling them for an "alternate" use.
 

Corso312

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never been to detroit...sounds like a shit hole ghost town...just moved 2 hours away recently and plan on hitting some tigers games this summer... and some lions games when my bears come to town and whip their ass.
 

Corso312

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ha! we shall see...cutler is a pretty tough dude actually..our line blows...now stafford? lets see is that china doll can make it 16 plus weeks:lol:
 

hic

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I like the idea of purchasing the lights from the city. Especially if it were to assist operation overgrow.

I wonder why they do not use solar lights? You know with all the vacant building down there they could tear enough down to make good solar panel fields to help with finances in the future. What happens is people vote in alot of dumb mother fuckers. Out of all of the people they vote in, they vote for the ones that cannot run there own lives without a credit cards but we feel as though they can stay within a budget for a city?

Yes this is what 1000's of years of learning and edjucation has got us. It is almost like I live in a world where retards rule over me?
 

dankshizzle

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Detroit is an underground dance scene with some of the best electronic music in the world. It's known for its massive warehouse parties and slows bbq. So if your not into dancing and mind spinning STAY OUT. Otherwise have a fun safe time and make sure that pill taste like shit...

Btw 810 is my area. U gotta be close. I'm about an hour. I fucking love this city.
 

Corso312

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@ abe ...came from the great city of chicago sir.... i love this state though...only negatives women,no jobs and food is below average.
 

hic

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Detroit is great! It used to be known as home to an american empire known as ford but know is known for stupid music. I love detroit it has wonderfull pills although it's residants used to hold respect of one another. I love detroit we can BBQ although we used to be able to see in the fuckin dark with street lights!
 

gladstoned

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Fieger should run for mayor. Legalize marijuana and prostitution like he said. Detroit will turn around over night. He said it best, What is marijuana and legal prostitution going to do, run Detroit down?! Many will move there, bills will get paid.
 

bertiswho

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ha! we shall see...cutler is a pretty tough dude actually..our line blows...now stafford? lets see is that china doll can make it 16 plus weeks:lol:
you do realize stafford played the whole year last year and had a better season then cutler will EVER have.....Cutler is poop


I live 5 minutes outside detroit, its a shithole A:because of most of the residents and B:The city government has been corrupt for 35 years. As for downtown though, its a great place to go, lots of stuff to do and its alot safer then people think.
 

st0wandgrow

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you do realize stafford played the whole year last year and had a better season then cutler will EVER have.....Cutler is poop


I live 5 minutes outside detroit, its a shithole A:because of most of the residents and B:The city government has been corrupt for 35 years. As for downtown though, its a great place to go, lots of stuff to do and its alot safer then people think.
Agreed. It is a shithole. Sporting events and the odd concert are all that bring me in to the city. I've spent time in Philly, Boston, Chicago .... and Detroit looks like Baghdad in comparison.
 

Corso312

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stafford is great when healthy...the healthy part is what is a concern..his best season (last year) trumps cutlers best season..but there are a few factors..he has megatron and plays in a dome...lets see what cutler does this year with brandon marshall again...cutlers health is a concern as well, he takes a lot of hits due to a bad line..but stafford missed 6 games his rookie year and 13 games the next year and then last year stayed healthy.. should be a great season..best division is football and 3 legit teams.
 

FatMarty

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Agreed. It is a shithole. Sporting events and the odd concert are all that bring me in to the city. I've spent time in Philly, Boston, Chicago .... and Detroit looks like Baghdad in comparison.
Hate like hell to have to agree, mainly because Corso poked us in our bad eye and it's all blurry now.
But I pretty much have no use for the city any longer.
Been to one Tiger game since the stadium switch and no concerts down there in eons.

Downtown Chicago is a very cool city. I like Chicago. But it's in Illinois.
 
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