Do people lie about their yeilds

oceangreen said:

Yes, I am seeing alot of people who claim 1gpw..on their first 5 five grows. I really find that very very hard to believe.

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Are you really in Den Bosch, Netherlands? Someone who isn't getting at least close to 1gpw after their second or third grow is doing something wrong (and should perhaps read some local dutch journals ). Do you know the term "kilo knaller"? As they say here, with a "kilo knaller" (a good 1000watter setup), and a large tent, you can get a kilo (1gpw) sitting back with two fingers in your nose.


I do care about the gpw I get, simply to have some sort of measurement how I, or my setup, or strain, or whatever changes, affect the yield. I don't care what someone else 'believes', and I don't care much about what someone else got specifically, more what he/she got more or less than last time and why. I do feel bad for those who get 0,5 gpw with so much light, such a waste of energy. Seems a lot of people just add bulbs rather than make the actual necessary improvements which relatively reduces the gpw. Imo one should aim for 1 gpw, be happy with anything above 0.75 gpw and below that should figure out what to improve or simply seek advice.

Sativied said:

Are you really in Den Bosch, Netherlands? Someone who isn't getting at least close to 1gpw after their second or third grow is doing something wrong (and should perhaps read some local dutch journals ). Do you know the term "kilo knaller"? As they say here, with a "kilo knaller" (a good 1000watter setup), and a large tent, you can get a kilo (1gpw) sitting back with two fingers in your nose.


I do care about the gpw I get, simply to have some sort of measurement how I, or my setup, or strain, or whatever changes, affect the yield. I don't care what someone else 'believes', and I don't care much about what someone else got specifically, more what he/she got more or less than last time and why. I do feel bad for those who get 0,5 gpw with so much light, such a waste of energy. Seems a lot of people just add bulbs rather than make the actual necessary improvements which relatively reduces the gpw. Imo one should aim for 1 gpw, be happy with anything above 0.75 gpw and below that should figure out what to improve or simply seek advice.

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Well said sir !!!

It looks like with a lot of the grows that people claim super high yields,there are a lot of shaded out budding sites that produce lower quality bud that is under developed and immature at the time of harvest. Its a quality vs quantity thing, of course they will always say that each bud is grade A,but there is only so much surface area under the hood the light can hit (vertical grows are a different story). It doesnt mean that the smaller fluffy buds arent usable, but they arent as nice as colas that get a sufficient amount of light.

Also, kilowatt hours spent are just as important if not more important when talking about yield. If there is any extra time spent vegging the plants once they go in the flower room, thats extra kilowatt hours used. Filling out a scrog screen takes extra kilowatt hours. The additional lighting used to grow large (or numerous) mothers to provide all the clones that a sea of green requires takes extra kilowatt hours.Whats the down time in between someones last day of bloom and the start of their next run, because 5 or 6 good harvests a year is usually better than 4 really good harvests a year.

brotherjericho said:

I'll be honest, I've often yielded anywhere from 0.75 - 3 oz per plant. I flower 3-4 at a time with a PG180 on one side and a bank of PLLs on the other. I'm mostly organic and use 3 gal fabric pots. I suppose overall my gpw is poor, but I'm still hitting stuff from my very first harvest. Nothing for me to brag about, I'm just a guy on the internet.

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i would love to see pictures of the PLLs if you have any. I am running a PG 180 and a bunch of CFL

bigworm6969 said:

Accutaly I did lie because I didnt think anybody would believe me if i said i got 4 pounds so i bumped it down and still nobody believed me, for first hydro grow ever in my life i think i did good its been like 5 years now that i havent had to buy weed the only thing is i got all this dank that i smoke with my friends and they love it but i cant tell them that i grew it so i come on here to try and show my pics and help noobs out and get asses telling me all kinds of bull shit and hateing i dont have any reason to lie it ant going to do nothing for me i dont have nothing to gain just tring to help

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Wa wa wa ... "I posted on a thread about liars and people think I am lying "

BustinScales510 said:

It looks like with a lot of the grows that people claim super high yields,there are a lot of shaded out budding sites that produce lower quality bud that is under developed and immature at the time of harvest. Its a quality vs quantity thing, of course they will always say that each bud is grade A,but there is only so much surface area under the hood the light can hit (vertical grows are a different story). It doesnt mean that the smaller fluffy buds arent usable, but they arent as nice as colas that get a sufficient amount of light.

Also, kilowatt hours spent are just as important if not more important when talking about yield. If there is any extra time spent vegging the plants once they go in the flower room, thats extra kilowatt hours used. Filling out a scrog screen takes extra kilowatt hours. The additional lighting used to grow large (or numerous) mothers to provide all the clones that a sea of green requires takes extra kilowatt hours.Whats the down time in between someones last day of bloom and the start of their next run, because 5 or 6 good harvests a year is usually better than 4 really good harvests a year.

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Well said that man..... I tried a SOG (8wk lemon), F&D, 30 plants under each 600w hps. They were veged for 1 week to climatise to hydroton under cfl tubes, seperate room. Initially I was very disappointed at 1/2 oz per plant until you factor in how many crops per year. This technique gave me 5.5 crops per year = 80oz per year (give or take a few grams). Easy to trim and easier to manage and maintain.

8 weeks(56 days) @ 12 hrs = 672hrs (flower).
A grand total of 672 hrs under 600w hps.
672 hrs divided by 0.6kw = 403.2 kwh x 5.5 crops = 2217.6 kwh for 80 oz
2217.6 divided by 80 oz = 27.72 kwh per oz.
Which is essentially 1g per kwh and also equates to 0.7 GPW


Prior to that I was puttung 6 plants under same light but vegging under flowering hps for 4 weeks + 8 weeks flowering. I was getting around 3oz per plant x 6 plants = 18oz. That gave me 4 crops per year x 18oz = 72 oz per year. Loads of popcorn and an age to trim.
4 weeks (28 days) x 18hrs = 504hrs (vegging)
8 weeks(56 days) @ 12 hrs = 672hrs (flower).
A grand total of 504 + 672 = 1176 hrs under 600w hps.
1176 divided by 0.6kw = 705.6 kwh x 4 crops = 2822.4kwh for 72oz
2822.4 divided by 72oz = 39.2 kwh per oz
This equates to approx 1.4 kwh per oz
GPW = 1

So using GPW the second grow style smashes the first one. But look more closely and the truth is second grow produces less over a year and costs more. So GPW is a bullshit measuring tools for success.

I grow in solo cups to save money on ferts and soil, it also does not take long to water. I used my mom's led christmas lights and some pie plates to max out the light. I like to grow my plants like this as it makes it easy to roll them up and smoke. I get about 1/2 lb per plant and they all look like dicks lol

anything I could do better



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KushKrew said:

Yeah I reckon so, and I think it starts with ridiculous claims from seed companies (500gpm2 YEAH BABY!!) who probably include all the trim and fan leaves in that weight.

And everybody's got Bud Envy haw haw haw...

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500gm2 is easily doable by a grower who knows his beans.

tip top toker said:

KushKrew said:

Yeah I reckon so, and I think it starts with ridiculous claims from seed companies (500gpm2 YEAH BABY!!) who probably include all the trim and fan leaves in that weight.

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500gm2 is easily doable by a grower who knows his beans.

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Exactly. While seed companies and breeders aren't always the most reliable sources for info, 500g/m2 from breeders who obviously know their beans (and count good pheno results only) is not ridiculous at all. Those numbers are nowadays based on using a 600watt hps, in which case 500 gram is a 'pretty good' result but not ridiculous by any means.

Previous round I got 530-ish gram, dried and in jars, trimmed as if it were for sale "per gram", so no large branches either, extreme high calyx to leaf ratio, gram for gram bud - with about 40-50 gram too airy for commercial but fine for my personal use . Fully organic, no boosters, half-pipe scrog (not even properly entirely filled on the right, should have vegged 3 days longer and it would have been over 1gpw), veg and pre-flower with 54wTL and later 400watt hps, and flower last 7-8 weeks with 600watt. Over a hundred gr (3.5 oz) from each plant (from seed). Of course cropping, scrogging or at the very least a 3x3 SoG is implied.

"Pictures!" I hear in the back... ok: https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/413359-supercropping-canopy-control-96.html#post9077147 (if it's truly that shocking to some I do have pics of the plants and buds drying as well). I consider myself (since that round ) an average grower at best and just tried to mimic what I read and see others who get 1gpw do (and that's still with quality over quantity in mind).

Oh... I suddenly realize, after 5 months, why the replies to my first thread here stopped, I dared to mention I got 0.96gpw on soil and therefor yield wasn't a motivation for me to switch to hydroponics. I grow weed, not epeen!

There's an old saying that applies here... something about "the father of the thought". Someone who is eager to accuse others of lying seems to think for others it's normal to lie about yields to strangers in a forum, and since his own brain is "the father of that thought" it often says more about the accuser than the accused. Just saying, in general, not pointing fingers.

For those who got a grow setup somewhere in the corner of a room, trying adding some reflecting material (wall it in) instead of more bulbs and your gpw ratio will increase significantly.

KushKrew said:

Yeah I reckon so, and I think it starts with ridiculous claims from seed companies (500gpm2 YEAH BABY!!) who probably include all the trim and fan leaves in that weight.

And everybody's got Bud Envy haw haw haw...

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500gm2 is not very much. thats only 0.5gpw. You cram 40 plants in a 3x3 with a 1k hps veg 4 weeks then flower you should hit 500gm2 + every time.

I feel like I have seen that ass b4 on some mass email few years back . LOL

either way,,, thats SOME ass

bigworm6969 said:

Hey Commander were the fuck are your pics oh you dont have none beceause your a punk ass kid living in his moms basement you probably got a car bed you fag its that your real pic or your dad I seen your wack ass cabinet grow talk about small timeing it what you dont have no money so you got to dumpster dive for material guranteed face to face you wouldnt have shit to say bacause your a buster.

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I get 3g/W and I do it in 30 days. My plants flower in 30 days and produce sativa buds.

No, actually I get 4g/W.

churchhaze said:

I get 3g/W and I do it in 30 days. My plants flower in 30 days and produce sativa buds.

No, actually I get 4g/W.

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You must be growing Stoney Girl seeds then. HAHAHAHAHAHA

bigworm6969 said:

Hey Commander were the fuck are your pics oh you dont have none beceause your a punk ass kid living in his moms basement

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Bro, I was with you earlier, but no need to go all crazy cuz someone questioned you. People play tough on the Internet, I learned a long time ago that you take keyboard warriors seriously and you'll just wear yourself out for nothing.

You are totally right gamberro I got a short fuse I thought everybody that smoked weed were down to earth I guess in every bunch of people there are those few assholes that like to start shit I just wish they could say it to my face in person I know whats good thats all that matters, Hey commander SORRY

oceangreen said:

I am seeing alot of people post some pretty big numbers for some small grows. I see it quite often. AM i the only one who see some BSing in yeilds

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This forum has quite a few Teenagers , and now we enter the season of the summerfag
things can only get worse

on a side note, something i have noticed, maybe folk tell lies for good reasons too ?
i once recommended to a newbie friend that he joined a grow forum, not this one, i just said any weed growing forum
so that he could get some advice etc and stop pestering me all the time
i did help him a fair bit myself but i thought it would be good for him to do things for himself

he said, i have tried those forums and they are shit, they all pretend that peoples plants look good when they look terrible
he went on to say, i have seen pictures of ridiculous looking plants that i would be gutted if my plants looked like that
but all the people on the forum are saying they look great when even i can tell they look shit

i had to agree with him , i couldn't really defend against what he had said, because i have noticed the same thing
i guess i am just too nice to tell people their plants look shit
so overall maybe there is not much honesty on forums

peace

skunkd0c said:

This forum has quite a few Teenagers , and now we enter the season of the summerfag
things can only get worse

on a side note, something i have noticed, maybe folk tell lies for good reasons too ?
i once recommended to a newbie friend that he joined a grow forum, not this one, i just said any weed growing forum
so that he could get some advice etc and stop pestering me all the time
i did help him a fair bit myself but i thought it would be good for him to do things for himself

he said, i have tried those forums and they are shit, they all pretend that peoples plants look good when they look terrible
he went on to say, i have seen pictures of ridiculous looking plants that i would be gutted if my plants looked like that
but all the people on the forum are saying they look great when even i can tell they look shit

i had to agree with him , i couldn't really defend against what he had said, because i have noticed the same thing
i guess i am just too nice to tell people their plants look shit
so overall maybe there is not much honesty on forums

peace

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not saying i have flawless plants i admit my defs in my journal but .. i saw a good example of that yesterday some person had some fucked up leafs some yellowing and it was a small plant but it got quite a few likes plus a bunch of positive comments it made me think the same thing as your mate thought

i don't mind criticism im a newb if you see something wrong tell me so i can fix it for next time !!!!
some people out there have an illusion that there plant/'s are great but actually its got a def and its all shitty looking and most probably will yield no more than a q ..

skunkd0c said:

i guess i am just too nice to tell people their plants look shit
so overall maybe there is not much honesty on forums

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I just read a post in another thread, in which someone complained flamers are ruining RIU because they are to eager to be right to strangers on the internet, at the cost of the learning experience of others. Something about catching more bees with sugar...

P.S. Your plants look overwatered. Make sure solution temp is low enough and you got proper oxygenation going on. Better?