yeah soty is not bad i havent checked out their newest album yet, which reminds me to do that but, i dunno their first album was amazing i literally played the cd until it would play no more then i got their second album and was immediatly just like man what happened, it was just not what i was looking for at the time. As i listen to it now i realize its alot better than i originally gave it credit for but still no page avenue. yeah my roommate actually went to his first concert with the guitarist from soty but i think it was when the band was still under the name big blue monkey