Is durban poison by mel frank the original lamdrace? It said it takes only 8 to 9 weeks to flower https://agseedco.com/products/durban-poison
Durban poison by Mel Frank
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coolkid.02
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nope.
conor c
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Its the dutch type one sold by most seedbanks sounds like so no the true south african landrace is gonna be like 12 to 15 weeks in bloom id think if its pure they say they selected to make it faster from within the genepool (dutch type)and it could be possible but idk many people think its been crossed to skunk to speed it up who knows really
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OSBuds
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Durban Poison Lineage / Genealogy
The Journey from Africa.
1970's:
Ed Rosenthal brought back seeds into the US a
100% pure African Sativa from Durban South Africa.
Ed gave the seeds to Mel Frank. Mel worked the strain
and developed 2 lines "A" & "B" strains.
1985
Mel Frank gave "B" strain to Sam the Skunkman
who took the strain to Amsterdam.
2018 after seed / hemp bill passed
Mel Frank gave Todd McCormick the "A" strain
THE GROW OP.COM
https://www.thegrowthop.com/cannabis-culture/strain-of-the-day-five-things-to-know-about-durban-poison-a-well-travelled-strain-with-plenty-of-famous-kids
First. Durban Poison’s migration was meandering.
In the late 1970s, American breeder Ed Rosenthal bred some of the South African seeds that he brought back to the U.S.. Rosenthal then passed some prime specimens on to fellow breeder Mel Frank, who was on the hunt for short-season plants he could grow to full potential in New York before the fall weather caused their untimely demise, It was a big (and continuing) problem with plants that were coming from Latin America, he says.
Durban was one of those short-season varieties, and some of Frank’s seed stock was donated to the Amsterdam-bound hands of breeder David Watson, or Sam the Skunkman.
Second. The strain “had some work done” in California.
Sam the Skunkman reports he once planned to bring Durban Poison to the level of commercial production by further reducing its flowering time. “I got maybe 100 seeds from South Africa and grew them in California in the late 70s,” he says. He had to deal with seeds that grew to hermaphrodite, developed small calyxes and inferior buds for a few years. Once the undesirable traits were bred out, though, Durban Poison was ready for the market, starting in Amsterdam.
From Cannigma.com:
https://cannigma.com/strains/durban-poison/
Durban Poison make its way from the bush of South Africa to a million smoke sessions across North America? One oft-repeated story is that in the late 1970s, famed American cannabis breeder Ed Rosenthal brought some South African seeds back to the US, where he gave them to breeder Mel Frank, who also donated some seeds to Amsterdam breeder Sam the Skunkman.
In a forum post from 2007, the Skunkman said that “South African Durban Poison was first introduced by me,” after he received “maybe 100 seeds from South African and grew them in California in the late 70s.” He said that most were hermaphrodite with small calyxes and “not so great buds.” He added that he saw the potential and began breeding out the faults, and by the early 80s it was ready for launch in Amsterdam, where it was a major hit. As his name indicates, Skunkman was instrumental in the formation of the seminal Skunk strain, which, like Durban Poison, has had an outsized influence on the cannabis world as a whole over the past few decades.
WIKILEAF:
https://www.wikileaf.com/strain/durban-poison/
In the late 1970s, American breeder Ed Rosenthal selectively bred several plants from a bag of South African seeds that he brought back to the U.S. Rosenthal then passed some prime specimens on to fellow breeder Mel Frank, who fine-tuned the genetics to optimize resin content and flowering time. Frank’s efforts resulted in “A” and “B” lines of the original seed stock; the B line was given to Amsterdam breeder Sam the Skunkman, who further reduced the strain’s flowering time.
Howtogrowmarijana.com
https://howtogrowmarijuana.com/weed-strains/durban-poison-seeds/
The Journey from Africa
Back in the fabled and beloved late 70s era, an earnest and hopeful young man by the name of Ed Rosenthal was in South Africa, seeking a new strain for further development. The variety that he discovered was one of the earliest finishing plants in the area and he took it home to the US. There, he started cultivating and kept developing the strain through careful selective inbreeding. Ed passed on some seeds from his work to his friend, Mel Frank for further work. Their focus was to reduce flowering time whilst simultaneously, increasing the yield. Mel worked with several generations of the plants, choosing to further breed the quickest and most resinous among them. The process resulted in two distinctive phenotypes, that Mel creatively named A and B. The A strain was his favorite, so he chose to move on with it. And it was around then that the B strain of Durban Poison found its way to Europe.
In a rather friendly gesture, Mel Frank gifted his not-so-favorite “B” line to his friend Sam the Skunkman. Sam does not need special introductions among the cannabis connoisseurs, as he still holds legendary status among breeders. However, this gift was just a beginning of a long and successful story. Sam took the seeds with him back to Amsterdam, where the seed business was starting to grow. It is also well worth noting that among those seeds that gave birth to the Durban Poison, one could find the start of the famous Skunk#1 line. His goal was, again, to reduce the flowering time, so that the plant could have a chance to finish outdoors during the –rather short- Northern European summer. His successful attempts made Durban Poison one of the most popular plants in its early days
The Journey from Africa.
1970's:
Ed Rosenthal brought back seeds into the US a
100% pure African Sativa from Durban South Africa.
Ed gave the seeds to Mel Frank. Mel worked the strain
and developed 2 lines "A" & "B" strains.
1985
Mel Frank gave "B" strain to Sam the Skunkman
who took the strain to Amsterdam.
2018 after seed / hemp bill passed
Mel Frank gave Todd McCormick the "A" strain
THE GROW OP.COM
https://www.thegrowthop.com/cannabis-culture/strain-of-the-day-five-things-to-know-about-durban-poison-a-well-travelled-strain-with-plenty-of-famous-kids
First. Durban Poison’s migration was meandering.
In the late 1970s, American breeder Ed Rosenthal bred some of the South African seeds that he brought back to the U.S.. Rosenthal then passed some prime specimens on to fellow breeder Mel Frank, who was on the hunt for short-season plants he could grow to full potential in New York before the fall weather caused their untimely demise, It was a big (and continuing) problem with plants that were coming from Latin America, he says.
Durban was one of those short-season varieties, and some of Frank’s seed stock was donated to the Amsterdam-bound hands of breeder David Watson, or Sam the Skunkman.
Second. The strain “had some work done” in California.
Sam the Skunkman reports he once planned to bring Durban Poison to the level of commercial production by further reducing its flowering time. “I got maybe 100 seeds from South Africa and grew them in California in the late 70s,” he says. He had to deal with seeds that grew to hermaphrodite, developed small calyxes and inferior buds for a few years. Once the undesirable traits were bred out, though, Durban Poison was ready for the market, starting in Amsterdam.
From Cannigma.com:
https://cannigma.com/strains/durban-poison/
Durban Poison make its way from the bush of South Africa to a million smoke sessions across North America? One oft-repeated story is that in the late 1970s, famed American cannabis breeder Ed Rosenthal brought some South African seeds back to the US, where he gave them to breeder Mel Frank, who also donated some seeds to Amsterdam breeder Sam the Skunkman.
In a forum post from 2007, the Skunkman said that “South African Durban Poison was first introduced by me,” after he received “maybe 100 seeds from South African and grew them in California in the late 70s.” He said that most were hermaphrodite with small calyxes and “not so great buds.” He added that he saw the potential and began breeding out the faults, and by the early 80s it was ready for launch in Amsterdam, where it was a major hit. As his name indicates, Skunkman was instrumental in the formation of the seminal Skunk strain, which, like Durban Poison, has had an outsized influence on the cannabis world as a whole over the past few decades.
WIKILEAF:
https://www.wikileaf.com/strain/durban-poison/
In the late 1970s, American breeder Ed Rosenthal selectively bred several plants from a bag of South African seeds that he brought back to the U.S. Rosenthal then passed some prime specimens on to fellow breeder Mel Frank, who fine-tuned the genetics to optimize resin content and flowering time. Frank’s efforts resulted in “A” and “B” lines of the original seed stock; the B line was given to Amsterdam breeder Sam the Skunkman, who further reduced the strain’s flowering time.
Howtogrowmarijana.com
https://howtogrowmarijuana.com/weed-strains/durban-poison-seeds/
The Journey from Africa
Back in the fabled and beloved late 70s era, an earnest and hopeful young man by the name of Ed Rosenthal was in South Africa, seeking a new strain for further development. The variety that he discovered was one of the earliest finishing plants in the area and he took it home to the US. There, he started cultivating and kept developing the strain through careful selective inbreeding. Ed passed on some seeds from his work to his friend, Mel Frank for further work. Their focus was to reduce flowering time whilst simultaneously, increasing the yield. Mel worked with several generations of the plants, choosing to further breed the quickest and most resinous among them. The process resulted in two distinctive phenotypes, that Mel creatively named A and B. The A strain was his favorite, so he chose to move on with it. And it was around then that the B strain of Durban Poison found its way to Europe.
In a rather friendly gesture, Mel Frank gifted his not-so-favorite “B” line to his friend Sam the Skunkman. Sam does not need special introductions among the cannabis connoisseurs, as he still holds legendary status among breeders. However, this gift was just a beginning of a long and successful story. Sam took the seeds with him back to Amsterdam, where the seed business was starting to grow. It is also well worth noting that among those seeds that gave birth to the Durban Poison, one could find the start of the famous Skunk#1 line. His goal was, again, to reduce the flowering time, so that the plant could have a chance to finish outdoors during the –rather short- Northern European summer. His successful attempts made Durban Poison one of the most popular plants in its early days
conor c
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Thats the official story yeah mate i doubt it personally tho sam the skunkman isnt really a breeder he acquired genetics and got lucky in short if he was a decent breeder original haze wouldnt have hay phenos for one still in the line
conor c
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I disagree but your welcome to your opinion tho mate also il have you know im pretty well educated especially in chemistry biology and microbiology i dont just buy into "bro science" the fact is i just doubt the word of a snitch and sam is a known snitch nevermind a sell out with no proven track record of breeding anything hell even skunk 1 came from stolen genetics chances are so draw your own conclusions as for real breeders there is few and it aint any you mentioned in my opinion
thenotsoesoteric
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Sam the narc is a fraud. Id believe Ed and Mel over anything Sam claims.
Sam is the Edison of the weed world.
conor c
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Yeah i take no issue with rob or ed personally but sam is another story
Jesus, so the Sam is a snitch bullshit is still being passed around. And sk1 was stolen. I dont know where these bullshit stories start but im guessing its some geek in his moms basement. The three i mentioned are the only ones using plant science. instead of bro science. and that is the facts.
conor c
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Not true they are just some of the few who are doing it for big pharma and other shady entities your deluded if you think they are the only people who apply science to there breeding programs but hey oh well each to there own agree to disagree and all that anyway mate
lakesidegrower
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I have a pack of Mel’s Durban from Ag on the way, I’ve always wanted to grow it, whatever the true backstory really is
conor c
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You would think the amount of time durban been around it would at least be cleaned up (intersex issues) true durban takes like 14 weeks to me mels is just like the old dutch passion type one it sounds like
Wolverine97
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The one of the left in your first pic looks a lot like the old DP Power Plant, which was based on the old Euro Durban line. I had major issues with botrytis with that one, 17 years ago. I considered grabbing a pack of these, but I think I'll wait until it gets back to an F3 before I jump.
Wolverine97
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There are many good breeders out there today. Most are just chuckers, at best, but you're very, very wrong if you think only those three do real breeding. You just have to dig, and do some homework.
The only experience I've had with durban aside from this was with a pack of Sensi Seeds Durban. They had much thinner leaves, much longer internode spacing, grew more vigorously as well. These were grown outside, I wasn't impressed with them at all.
I got these as supposedly Mel Frank was one of the first ones with his hands on the line.
For clarification/additional info. This was in a 3x3 tent. Samsung LM301B diodes, driven at 75% on a 400 watt meanwell driver. Organic soil/living soil-ish. Attempt at homemade living soil, this is my first bloom with the new mix. 4 plants in the tent. The Durban was in the front left position as viewed from the camera.
If any are interested, when I repot the cut in a day or two I can post pictures of it as well.
As far as the intersex issue goes, I saw the warning so I'm assuming it's a thing. However I do not think I had this cycle nailed. I'm sure the plants were under stress. I checked every 3 or 4 days for the low lying sacks and kept an ever watchful eye out for nanners. I saw none.
conor c
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All durban lines are ones to watch for that ime regardless ive no experience with there durban (sensis) tried there sister company whitelabels powerplant before that was ok no better or worse than dp nirvanas or seedstockers ime