Dutch Scientists Working on an HPS Bulb with 20% Par Boost!

I am trying to gain as much info on this as possible..... I have something interesting to bring up.. I went to my local Hydro store and got caught up talking about LED's and how they are perceived to be better at giving exact PAR etc etc..

Then we got into a discussion about a new HPS bulb, that Dutch scientist's are working on - Which gives a 20% PAR Boost to the 250W, 400W, 600W and 1000W bulbs which WILL undoubtably piss freely all over LEDs and retail at a fraction of the price of LED panels...

Then I went on to say about 'If you had a boostable Lumatek Ballast that pushes for 15% extra Lumens towards the end of Flowering.. and you were using a Dutch NEW HPS BULB with a 20% PAR boost (start to finish), Surely this would be the ultimate grow light setup ?!!


The Hydro workers nodded and smiled I could tell they were looking forward to the new bulb, and now - so am I


Has anyone else heard about this? what are your thoughts ??? - STELTHY

At the moment these are the bulbs I have found with a higher output:-

AGROSUN RED SODIUM HPS 430 WATT GROW LAMP BULB


Agrosun Red Sodiums are the best choice for enhanced flowering, increased crop volume and supplemental greenhouse lighting.

Not only will they produce more, larger and better flowers, but they will do it quicker than common sodium bulbs. Red Sodiums are recommended for situations where high output supplemental light is preferred.

430 W Agrosun® Red Sodium (12/cs) (eco-4518 )

Agrosun Red Sodium - 430W

The Agrosun 430W bulb is compatible with all 400W HPS magnetic and electronic ballasts.




Now this sounds good but no mention of the 20% PAR Boost... I will continue my search - STELTHY

Lumatek 600W HPS Lamp (eco-4010)


These are the other bulbs I have found.....and they do mention hi-PAR output I am unsure if they are the ones in question! So will continue the mission to find the best of the best in relation to hi-PAR HPS bulbs although from the description they do sound like the one's :-


Lumatek digital lamps


Lumatek is proud to introduce its new line of horticultural specific high-par output lamps. Designed by the world’s leading HID lamp engineers, these lamps provide exceptional performance on both magnetic and electronic ballasts. 100% European engineered and manufactured Lumatek’shigh-par output lamps delivered an optimized spectrum and high level of Photosynthetic Active Radiation to promote healthy plant growth. These lamps have strengthened seals and a reinforced arc frame to ensure that they will provide long lasting performance with stable lumen output.
Lumatek 600W High-Par Output HPS

Initial Luminous Flux (lm): 92,000
Luminous Efficiency (lm/W): 150
Color Temperature (K): 2,050
PAR (umol/s): 1030
Photo Flux (phyto-lm):185,000


Here's a couple of short video's taking a look at the bulb:-


[video]http://youtu.be/Cydwgy2A1sI[/video]

[video]http://youtu.be/yuk6Q3OA93Q[/video]


I will research these a little more and post my findings.. anyone else have anything to add? - STELTHY

I am unsure if the High-PAR HPS bulbs are available in 250W, 400W, 600W and 1000W variations, but again....I'll look into this !! - STELTHY

I found a LINK to some more of these Lumatek High PAR bulbs...


http://www.gardensupplyguys.com/LHP123.html




Product Details:

Designed for use with Lumatek Digital Ballasts (and a number of other ballasts), these Lumatek High-Par Output HPS Lamps are designed by the world's leading HID lamp engineers.



Engineered and manufactured with precision

Provides exceptional performance on both magnetic and electronic ballasts

Delivers an optimized spectrum and high level of photosynthetic active radiation to promote healthy plant growth

Strengthened seals and a reinforced arc frame

Long lasting performance with stable lumen output


Available in 400, 600, and 1000 watt varieties




I'll keep looking to see if I can find any info on a 250W version - STELTHY

So for an 'Ultimate Lighting Setup' you'll need one of the above Lumatek bulbs and a Lumatek Boostable Ballast (400/600 & 1000W) I'll make notes on the ballasts below:-


Lumatek digital ballasts are a small compact design, silent running and produce less heat than standard core/coil ballasts.


Lumatek ballasts can light both High Pressure Sodium and Metal Halide lamps.

Because of Lumateks soft start technology the lamps last up to three times as long.

Lumatek ballasts have an external switch, this feature will boost lumen output by 10% when the switch is activated.

This feature is only to be used with HPS lamps, ideal when you want to boost lumen output in the flowering stage.

With the switch off, MH and HPS lamps can be used with ballasts.

Electronic ballasts also do not degrade like standard ballasts do.

Over time core/coil ballasts become louder, produce less light, emit more heat and use more electricity.

Electronic ballasts maintain their efficiency throughout their life span.

They have a fast start up, it reaches full brightness in less than one minute, and magnetic ballasts typically take about twenty minutes.

Lumatek ballasts have an automatic cut off when a short is detected, for ultimate safety.

Lumatek ballasts are completely shielded and are far cheaper to run than a standard core/coil ballast.



I will search E-Bay n see if I can get any of these bulbs and at what price:-



I took a look and could only find bulb sellers in the US and after taking into account of postage:-


400W version inc Postage comes to a staggering £55.52,

600W version inc Postage is a whopping £70.91,

And the 1000W version inc Postage is £77.11, and thats per bulb.... Pretty expensive eh ?!!



(Unless you live in the US - where you can cut that cost literally in half).




This is the E-Bay blurb for a 400W version:-

Lumatek HPS Bulb 400w High-Par sodium 400 watt w lamp


Item condition: New

Time left: 24d 08h (11 Jun, 201122:03:02 BST)

Quantity: More than 10 available

Cost: US $45.00, Approximately £27.76

Postage: US $45.00(approx. £27.76) - Express Int'l Postage | See all details

Item location: Covina, California, United States

Post to: Worldwide


Delivery:
Varies for items sent from an international location
Seller posts within 1 day after receiving cleared payment .




I will most likely get a 400W version, I wonder if having the 20% extra PAR will come with a higher running temp? - STELTHY

I am not the 'Worlds Greatest' when it comes to mathematics but would be very interested to know the overall output for both 400/600 & 1000W Versions after taking into account a boostable Lumatek ballast will be powering them. The bulbs have a 20% PAR increase over the originals... And the ballasts give an increased Lumen output of 15% give or take (Electricity Flux's during the day)...


If anyone can shine some light on this (Sorry for bad Pun) lol I will give great REP! in exchange for some worthy info/results - STELTHY

Have you guy's heard of the 12-1 light cycle for vegging, I'm using it with amazing results. Save on power costs. For flowering start with 11 hours reducing by 1/2 hour every 2 weeks until you get 9 hours. 25% t0 35% gain in yield 50% saving in power costs. The way nature intended it.

vrodder said:

Have you guy's heard of the 12-1 light cycle for vegging, I'm using it with amazing results. Save on power costs. For flowering start with 11 hours reducing by 1/2 hour every 2 weeks until you get 9 hours. 25% t0 35% gain in yield 50% saving in power costs. The way nature intended it.

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No, not heard of that! I'll look into it later.. I'am more interested in these new breed HPS bulbs atm - STELTHY

stelthy said:

No, not heard of that! I'll look into it later.. I'am more interested in these new breed HPS bulbs atm - STELTHY

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Yes, please do more digging... I like the way they sound. Are you sure its those bulbs the guys were speaking of or are they just another type of high par bulbs?

Honkeycorn said:

Yes, please do more digging... I like the way they sound. Are you sure its those bulbs the guys were speaking of or are they just another type of high par bulbs?

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Hi Honkeycorn, I will do I am not 100% sure its defo these bulbs..Although I will keep asking at my Hydro-Store until I have the facts I'am thinking these are probably the ones though as the dude at the store said he doesn't think they've been imported yet, and the only ones I can find are from the US!

I am sure there will be many Grower's interested in this thread once it picks up I plan to buy a 400W version in the next couple of weeks (bit skint at the mo) lol..




I have 3X Lumatek Boostable ballasts a 250, 400, and 600, so if these are the bulbs in question, I wont hesitate to fork out the notes - and get another grow going ASAP to test the setup out - STELTHY

What about Dual-Arc bulbs? I was looking at one that had a 600w HPS and a 400w MH in the same bulb! Have you tried that? You'd get blue and red spectrum at the same time and it would run on a 1000w ballast.

WestAussie said:

What about Dual-Arc bulbs? I was looking at one that had a 600w HPS and a 400w MH in the same bulb! Have you tried that? You'd get blue and red spectrum at the same time and it would run on a 1000w ballast.

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Dual-Arc bulbs do sound good!! But for Hobby Growers that can only use 250W, 400W and possibly 600W at a push.. Dual arc's as far as I know are not the answer.. If you have more info on them please add it and any pics etc I'll give REP! where REP! is due - STELTHY

WestAussie said:

What about Dual-Arc bulbs? I was looking at one that had a 600w HPS and a 400w MH in the same bulb! Have you tried that? You'd get blue and red spectrum at the same time and it would run on a 1000w ballast.

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I found this 400W Dual-arc, I'll keep looking to see what other wattages are available..




Here's a 1000W Dual-Arc, I don't know if 250W or 600W versions are available, but will keep looking - STELTHY

I wonder whats better a Dual arc or a Lumatek with 20% PAR increase (Flowering) ?? and also whether a Dual-Arc would be better for purely Vegging than a MH ?? - STELTHY

I was looking at one of the dual arc bulbs when I was looking for a light. HTG has them.

http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-AgroMax-600-watt-Hybrid-HPS-MH-Bulb.asp

Green Inferno said:

I was looking at one of the dual arc bulbs when I was looking for a light. HTG has them.

http://www.htgsupply.com/Product-AgroMax-600-watt-Hybrid-HPS-MH-Bulb.asp

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Nice find and REP! So that's 400, 600 and 1000 taken care of Just need to find a 250 version now.... I wonder what the best Manufacturer for this type of bulb is? - STELTHY

stelthy said:

Nice find and REP! So that's 400, 600 and 1000 taken care of Just need to find a 250 version now.... I wonder what the best Manufacturer for this type of bulb is? - STELTHY

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I'm in search of the ultimate set up as well. I currently use LEDs, and am happy with them. But this is not my final grow set up. I will expand
to bigger and better things. And if HPS, or whatever light for that matter can give me more yield per watt used, and still be the best quality
it can, that would be the light that I want. Providing I can afford it...

I'm also in search of the ultimate strain(s) as well too. We'll save that topic for another thread.

Ah.. and here's a 250W Dual-Arc, 250 watt 14000K Dual Arc Metal Halide Bulb.. So thats the range.. Now to find out if and how much warmer they run at ?? - STELTHY

Very interesting stelthy. these high PAR bulb will be great. i have the 400W lumantek digi. and i will consider ordering the bulb. if you find the ones they were talking about. be sure to inform me good sir. until then rep for being an active member.