E.B. Stone Organics Sure Start for Seedlings?

I have a bag of this.
I've had it for a year, so some of the beneficial bacteria has died, but the nutrients are still there.

Would this work well on my young cannabis plants after they have become strong seedlings?

Has a 4-6-2 Ratio

I understand I should be using 1/4 or 1/2 the amounts listed on the bag for a pot indoors, according to many others, but wanted to check in with experienced marijuana growers about how effective this could be as an organic starter?

Also I'll need some advice for later stages of the plant.

I want to grow strictly organic..no harsh chemicals or formulas.

Thank you for your time.

you can grow cannabis in anything organic organic material needs to decompose and not readily available for the most part so burning with organics is hard you can grow in straight wormcastings with enough aeration

whats your medium situation?

One moment I'll need to lay it All out.

I've seen other ratios for NPK needs .
... Looking for organic bloom solutions later too.

Is the 4-6-2 a good ratio for cannabis?

Should the nitrogen be higher? Lower phosphorus for now?
Like 6-2-4 ? NPK?

P is also important for root development so you can add this to your soil for seedlings imo then maybe cook a batch of super soil on the side for veg and flowering with this product and neem cake for extra N maybe some kelp/stinging nettles/oats/compost/manure/guano etc. whichever ones are available and cheap and high quality. also add wormcastings and don’t go cheap on that stuff it brings such a diverse microbiota to the soil. i’d also opt out for perlite and use finely crushed basalt, pumice, lava stone and/or zeolite for aeration and drainage. mix all this stuff well and let it cook for a month if you can. the pile should get properly warm on its own (if not add shredded cardboard or some other form of carbon) keep it moist and keep it covered with something that breathes but keeps the gnats etc out. and boom you got a great soil for growing, hopefully. lol.

what this cooking does is that it brings the microbe population out of dormancy and let them colonize every bit of this pile and break down organic matter to plant available forms. at this cooking stage you can also add stuff like biochar (i don’t have biochar so i add activated charcoal for filter). this is to charge those bits of carbon with endless surface areas with nutrients and microbes so they can act as a slow time released fertilizer bits in your organic soil and as a safe haven for your microbes. zeolite acts similarly too.

anyway the thing you do with the organics is not npk farming those numbers somewhat loses meaning when you say organics. its more about creating diversity in the rhizosphere with different sources of nutrition for variety of microbes to feast upon and diverse microbes follow and the plant will favor some and discourage others if everything is alright. meaning if you have added enough aeration so it doesnt get compacted and anaerobic and haven’t overwatered nor underwatered and did something to mess up the natural order of things.

this method is also about topdressing so a week before the flip you can topdress with high P bat guano as a booster if you like

i loved cooking my own soil something i haven‘t had the chance of doing lately. but got a batch going now next run i’m gonna run my own organic soil again. if you have the chance add some worms too. they create all the goodies and diversity. organics in my understanding is more of an holistic approach. feed the soil with high quality organic material and the soil will feed the plants.

Try to get away from the mentality that you need to provide different npk values for different stages of growth. Just keep your soil active with microbes and they will do most of the work. That means adding more compost and/or aacts regularly.
As crimson is saying diversity of the rhizosphere is almost more important than actual npk values. Using granular mycorrhizae fungi in the hole at each transplant will solve a ton of issues before they can ever happen plus assist w/absorption and help regulate moisture. When considering amendments and/or fertilizer add lots of things in small quantities. Stay away from soluble nutrients with high npk values (10+ doesn’t belong in a soil grow). These can piss off the fungi. Sure start stuff looks ok; I would add this along with some ewc to a decent organic soil and let er rip. Maybe keep something like liquid fish on hand in case they begin to fade.

About the earthworms themselves... What kind of earthworms am I looking for and how many per plant?

Is there a chance that the worm could crawl out and endup on my face in the morning as I'm sleeping?

I ask this because, when I was camping once I had the unfortunate experience of waking up to a banana slug on my face.



I have a organic mix that has some earthworm castings in it already.


P. S. Do earthworms hurt the root system with all that digging around they do?

ShawnSunshine said:

About the earthworms themselves... What kind of earthworms am I looking for and how many per plant?

Is there a chance that the worm could crawl out and endup on my face in the morning as I'm sleeping?

I ask this because, when I was camping once I had the unfortunate experience of waking up to a banana slug on my face.



I have a organic mix that has some earthworm castings in it already.


P. S. Do earthworms hurt the root system with all that digging around they do?

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Red wigglers… composting worms… the same kind that exist in all healthy organic soils. You don’t need to have live worms in your mix but it is a good thing to have. No they won’t escape and try to attack you nor are they at all bad for soil. The gullets of earthworms contain all the microbes necessary for breaking down organic material which feeds your plants in symbiosis with mycorrhizae fungi. The worms break everything you add to the soil down while the myco attached to the root system absorbs the nutrients through cation exchange. While most decent organic soil mixes contain some ewc adding more never hurts; especially when brewed in tea form.

All right so how many worms for a 3 gallon pot?

I just saw a video with someone feeding their worms avocado skins and mixing the avocado skin in the soil.

How long will the Red Wigglers live in my soil?



Am I going to get less of a girl if I don't have worms?


How much do worms really help a cannabis grow? ✌

You don’t need any at all; it’s the compost they produce that you want but live worms in your soil is very beneficial… you can keep the worms indefinitely in a bin like my worm factory 360 or even just a fabric container half full of soil will do.. then you can feed and allow them to multiply. Worms in a soil pot inside a grow room is not really ideal; they may not survive for long depending upon conditions.
Yes you can grow plants without worms but worm castings given in any form will help prolong the viability of your mix. Worms help by keeping your soil active; if you plan on using nutrients then you don’t really need an active mix. If you want to grow in organic soil using mostly just water and the occasional aact you’ll want to add worm castings regularly as a top dress, aact, or just in the mix globally. Try it yourself & see what a game changer ewc and mycorrhizae can be.

Well I just have three ( 3 gallon ) pots on the window sill for my cannabis, eventually I'll have smaller pots above my cabinet for some Autoflowers, I also have plans on growing strawberries on the other side of the window.. so those will be outside and they could probably benefit from the worm
inside the one gallon pots.

I like the idea that they aerate the soil, so maybe just putting a couple of worms in the three gallon pots and one worm in one gallon pot?

I have some good soil that already has worm castings in it so... Not sure... But a couple of worms will be okay right?

ShawnSunshine said:

Well I just have three ( 3 gallon ) pots on the window sill for my cannabis, eventually I'll have smaller pots above my cabinet for some Autoflowers, I also have plans on growing strawberries on the other side of the window.. so those will be outside and they could probably benefit from the worm
inside the one gallon pots.

I like the idea that they aerate the soil, so maybe just putting a couple of worms in the three gallon pots and one worm in one gallon pot?

I have some good soil that already has worm castings in it so... Not sure... But a couple of worms will be okay right?

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Sure… all my plants benefit from access to freshly composted worm castings including the veggies in my outdoor garden, the herbs and cacti on my windowsill and the weed plants in my grow room.