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senocyr

senocyr

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Growing in soil indoors about 5-6 weeks into flower. I know the soils decent so I haven't used a ton of nutes but did try something that lightly burned the poor dear about 3 weeks ago. Last week or so tho some spot started showing up and seemingly overnight it got a lot worse. Now it's like leopard spot and some leaves have taken on the paleness and likeness of my skin color and I'm real pasty whiteish pink *laughs self deprecatingly*

Growing under LEDs with about 210w draw, judicious and stingy with my nutrient schedule, peaks at temps around 105 not everyday but when it's exceptionally warm out, usually tho it jumps from 75 at night to max 90 minus the occasional day or so.

My water+nutes ph is usually 6-7 almost never lower or higher and I've been racking the internet and growers I know for any info to no avail. Only thing truly lacking is a good fan, I have been forced to using a small computer fan (80mm I think) to keep air moving over the canopy and colas.

Anyone got a clue?
 

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KushyMcKush

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Im not sure exactly what that is (magnesium maybe?) but I can tell you 30 degree temp swings and massive ph differences are not helping you. I would try to get temps closer to mid-upper 70's daytime. Low to mid 80's is fine but still not ideal... 105 is pretty extreme. Consistant 90's is doable but definitely not ideal in any way. You could be experiencing some ph issues if your feedings vary that much. In soil you should shoot for 6.3-6.6. A little higher or lower is ok but not ideal. If your feeding 6.0 ones day then 7.0 another day and so on its gonna throw your soil ph out of whack. Soil has some natural buffering ability to stabalize what you put into it, but you should be somewhat consistant. The difference from 6.0-7.0 is a 100 fold difference. Are you using tap water or ro? Whats your ph and ppm out of the tap? What nutes are you using and how much? What soil? I would suggest trying to cool the room down to the temps I mentioned and being more consistant with watering/feeding ph and it might just resolve itself.
 
senocyr

senocyr

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It peaks at 105 rarely during its day cycle, usually tho is around 83 to 90 unless it gets incredibly warm outside which affects my house and only gets to about 75 at night also the temps are taken from the canopy as I would be freaking out if the root system ever got that warm. I'm using some omri rated soil I have grown potted herbs and veggies with and works wonderfully. When I said water 6-7ph I mean it usually tests at 6.0-6.5 with nutes and about 6.7-7 when it's plain water. I'm using water from this giant filter we use to filter our drinking water, but I currently have no way of testing ppm. Also it gets at least a gallon everyday of plain water. I have some of the fox farm nutes I try not to use a whole lot of, some calmag solution, fulvic acid, and aplant protein mix I use rarely. All nutes are 1/4-1/2 recommended dose when I do feed. Nutes are too expensive to be giving the plant more than it truly needs imho. Thanks for your response :)
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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senocyr said:
Growing in soil indoors about 5-6 weeks into flower. I know the soils decent so I haven't used a ton of nutes but did try something that lightly burned the poor dear about 3 weeks ago. Last week or so tho some spot started showing up and seemingly overnight it got a lot worse. Now it's like leopard spot and some leaves have taken on the paleness and likeness of my skin color and I'm real pasty whiteish pink *laughs self deprecatingly*

Growing under LEDs with about 210w draw, judicious and stingy with my nutrient schedule, peaks at temps around 105 not everyday but when it's exceptionally warm out, usually tho it jumps from 75 at night to max 90 minus the occasional day or so.

My water+nutes ph is usually 6-7 almost never lower or higher and I've been racking the internet and growers I know for any info to no avail. Only thing truly lacking is a good fan, I have been forced to using a small computer fan (80mm I think) to keep air moving over the canopy and colas.

Anyone got a clue?
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That certainly looks like a calmag deffenicy to me.
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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KushyMcKush said:
Im not sure exactly what that is (magnesium maybe?) but I can tell you 30 degree temp swings and massive ph differences are not helping you. I would try to get temps closer to mid-upper 70's daytime. Low to mid 80's is fine but still not ideal... 105 is pretty extreme. Consistant 90's is doable but definitely not ideal in any way. You could be experiencing some ph issues if your feedings vary that much. In soil you should shoot for 6.3-6.6. A little higher or lower is ok but not ideal. If your feeding 6.0 ones day then 7.0 another day and so on its gonna throw your soil ph out of whack. Soil has some natural buffering ability to stabalize what you put into it, but you should be somewhat consistant. The difference from 6.0-7.0 is a 100 fold difference. Are you using tap water or ro? Whats your ph and ppm out of the tap? What nutes are you using and how much? What soil? I would suggest trying to cool the room down to the temps I mentioned and being more consistant with watering/feeding ph and it might just resolve itself.
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I usually try to keep my ph around 6.5 roughly. A degree here or there won't really do any damage. But yeah like you said, swings such as 6.0 to 7.0 is definitely a no,no. I've seen my ph go as high as 6.8 and I would check the run off and it'd come out at 6.5 or so. No lower then 6.0. His temps is something of concern aswell. Temps like that cause deficiencies aswell.
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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Personally I would flush with ph'd water, then I would feed with episom salt, maybe even a foiler feeding aswell. How often do you feed, also what type of nutrients are you using?
 
senocyr

senocyr

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Been flushing the last week or so cause at first it presented as what could've been burn. Usually get some amendment once a week but true feeding for me has always been once in veg, once in flower but that's my outdoor creedo, inside this grow it's been getting what I call a good feeding of half strength nutes every other week or so maybe every 2 weeks. This grow I was using the three fox farms ones mainly but i did try their ff's beastie bloomz and was stupid and I know that barely started to be burned it about 3weeks ago cause I forgot to dilute it as much as I usually do with all my nutes
 
researching

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When you go light on the nutes, I would not cut back on calmag. I know soil has more of a buffer yada yada, but a little extra cal mag is a little extra piece of mind.
 
Sassafras¥

Sassafras¥

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senocyr said:
Been flushing the last week or so cause at first it presented as what could've been burn. Usually get some amendment once a week but true feeding for me has always been once in veg, once in flower but that's my outdoor creedo, inside this grow it's been getting what I call a good feeding of half strength nutes every other week or so maybe every 2 weeks. This grow I was using the three fox farms ones mainly but i did try their beastie blooms and was stupid and I know that barely started to be burned it about 3weeks ago cause I forgot to dilute it as much as I usually do
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That's good. Have you tried to add episom salt to your feeding? If not, I would do so asap.
 
TacoMac

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In the future: Never, ever, ever, under any circumstances, EVER plant in soil without adding lime. Ever.

For 5 bucks you can buy a small bag of lime. Add about 4 tablespoons to your soil mix before you plant and you will never, ever have any calcium or magnesium issues again.

In the end, it comes down to about 5 cents per plant per grow...and that's a hell of a lot cheaper than having to shove Cal/Mag down it add nauseum.
 
senocyr

senocyr

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Ok thot it may be calmag so I have been feeding it rather heavily compared to what I normally do last couple days. I keep hearing Epson salts but I would rather not put magnesium salts in the soil as Id rather not deal with the salt build up. Here's some photos but I can't get far enough away for a full shot
 

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Michiganmeds1982

Michiganmeds1982

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senocyr said:
Ok thot it may be calmag so I have been feeding it rather heavily compared to what I normally do last couple days. I keep hearing Epson salts but I would rather not put magnesium salts in the soil as Id rather not deal with the salt build up. Here's some photos but I can't get far enough away for a full shot
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Most of your fertilizers are made of salt....
 
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